Brother Hood on Abortion and When Life Begins
Recently Brother Hood at Islamic Law, etc. had a piece relating to the issue of abortion. Hood, a student of Islamic law, addresses the issue from a sharia and fiqh perspective.
I suggest everyone read the piece by Hood to get some insightful knowledge of the different schools of thought about when life actually begins according to Islamic law as that issue is the center-piece of the abortion debate and is the determining factor between abortion being a medical procedure or a murder. He also takes a look and the pros and cons of different positions; the absolutist anti-abortion position, the absolutist pro-abortion position, and the less absolutist position that argues abortion should be legal in the first 120 days of a pregnancy.
It seems that I don’t disagree with Brother Yusuf on everything because we both hate those fifthly four-legged beasts known as dogs. If there is anything I hate worse than dogs it can be annoying dog owners. Yes, this means all of those people whose dogs run up to me and jump all over me while the owner smiles and says “oh that’s just my little Spot, he doesn’t bite” and I respond “that’s good, but can you please tell him to get away from me before I hit him in the head with a brick”. You may love your dog, but I don’t, so keep it away from me please. I hate the smell of dogs, particularly on women, and I am disgusted by the fact that in a nation where 40-million humans do not have access to basic health-care, they have clinics and hospitals for dogs. If you are a politician and you want my vote; do not send me a family photo with the dog in it or I will not vote for you and do not equate your dog with children. If you are my neighbor, why does your dog think the entrance to my apartment is his own personal toilet and why cant you clean it up? While your at it, redirecting his poop, can you turn down that loud and annoying Polish music? One more thing, that leash you are supposed to have for your dog while walking, it isn’t for playing with while watching your dog run wild, it is meant to be put on the dog!
Disappointment
Over the last few days I have had death threats on this blog and via email from fanatical jihadist elements and yesterday with over 2,000 hits on this blog only one person commented in my favor and that was my friend Dawud and a few people did so in the previous day such as Abu Sinan. Everyone else was either too cowardly and scared of these nuts, did not have the moral conviction to do so because maybe they have a soft spot in their hearts for these brothers, or wish to pursue the Muslim “head up our rear-ends” philosophy of ignoring something to make it go away.
While my email box was flooded with people telling me about boxing matches and other things that don’t matter in the grand scheme of things only one sister emailed me with words of support. I am very disappointed in my readers and I hope this is not a reflection upon the entire Muslim community in America but I have a feeling it is a sign of something much greater.
Self-Defense
I do not make any threats to anyone and do not wish harm upon people; but I have saw the photo of Sameer Khan and have a hunch the other cyber-jihadists look like him, and it is almost comical that someone like this would threaten me, who is the size of my 13 year old daughter. If it were not serious I would get a good laugh out of i the fact that middle-class Desi suburbanites who have never been in a boxing ring or street fight would threaten me; but it is real and I will just say that I do not seek conflict but am more than capable of defending myself and, as Tariq Nelson stated before, also will not hesitate to bring this matter to the authorities.
75 responses so far ↓
Jamal // May 16, 2007 at 3:38 am |
Salam Alaikum Umar:
Sorry Brother if you have not received more support. Perhaps they were just like me, silently supporting you but not manifesting it through written words. Well now I am!!! I really enjoy reading your blog and always pray for you and the other brothers and sisters even if we don’t always agree. I would suggest that you contact the authorities and notify them of these fools as soon as possible.
Umar Lee // May 16, 2007 at 3:45 am |
Wa alaikum Salaam Brother Jamal,
Thank you.
Maleeha // May 16, 2007 at 4:29 am |
Umar, you have my support through and through. I’m with Jamal – I just shook my head when I read about the threats, and prayed for your safety, but if you want the silence to be broken, it is now. Hope you and your family stay safe against obviously warped people.
The Libyan Observer // May 16, 2007 at 4:50 am |
Dude you have my support Umar Lee. I never vistited any of these duchbags blogs, but Jamal is right you need to refer these people to the FBI asap. Before these crazies go and hurt someone in the name of islam.
Safiya // May 16, 2007 at 6:25 am |
I wasn’t staying away, just not wanting to encourage trolls/crazy people and that’s what I think a lot of people were doing. You’ve always had a minority of unhinged commemters on this blog.
Also remember that you have a high number of sisters reading your blog, masha Allah and most of us wouldn’t feel comfortable emailing you.
You have my support and I hope the authorities apprehend these internet jihadis very soon.
Margari Aziza Hill // May 16, 2007 at 6:46 am |
Salaams Umar,
I’m saddened that you haven’t received more support. So even though this is tardy, here’s my meek effort:
I was angered to hear that you received death threats. I’m also angered by the character assassination. I just recently read some wackness.
Years ago, I experienced similar cowardice years ago when these 2 neo-Nazi skinheads who were in my class told folks that they were going to get me. None of the brothers stepped up. Instead, the wusses came to me and said, “Watch you back .” Nothing happened, but I didn’t back down or go into hiding.
Many of us sisters are harder than those cyber punks. So, don’t worry we got your back. I can go pound for pound, which is no problem since most of them are under 130 pounds and have no fighting skills.
Gomez // May 16, 2007 at 7:19 am |
Salaam Umar,
I am new to your blog, so I am still getting use to writing in here.
We kind of know each from way back, even though we did not kick it that much, we both have serve the same community in Virgnia.
You know I am not down with the likes of Shahid ibn Khawarij.
Jamil // May 16, 2007 at 7:36 am |
Salam Alaikum Brother Umar,
You have my support. As brother Jamal said I have been silently supporting you for a long time now. Sorry I haven’t voiced it especially at a time when you are receiving death threats. I enjoy reading your blog and check it almost daily. May Allah protect you and your family from these misguided fools.
Mercy // May 16, 2007 at 8:38 am |
Keep up the good work Umar, fighting the good fight. Allaah be with you.
Danial // May 16, 2007 at 9:16 am |
You got my full support bro! Don’t let the LGF fags and the wannabe e-jihadis keep you down. These little bitches don’t have the balls to confront you to your face, especially the fat paindoo Samir Khan.
dawud // May 16, 2007 at 9:18 am |
Umar, I’d say the authorities should already take note, and forward the emails (including IP) to the police with your description of the events –and complaint cc’d to the sender, if you care that he’s aware of your complaint — and then forget him.
Critics on the internet abound, and some people care only about the heat and flame they can create – ‘a lot of heat, without much light’ – and sadly, they can’t be bothered to follow up on their convictions in the real world. Perhaps, as I’ve suggested before, we should establish a Jihad travel service, whereby brothers who are wasting their hard-earned cash on things like mortgages, educations, and child support can instead send hopeful ‘mujahidin’ ( inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com ) off to fulfill their duty to the Ummah.
abuahmed // May 16, 2007 at 10:26 am |
Speak softly and carry a big stick is my advice to you. Things aren’t always what they seem; report this incident to the authorities and move on. You live in a CCW state by now I think so train well and always be aware of your surroundings. No more needs to be said than that.
Bint Will // May 16, 2007 at 10:34 am |
SIGH – Too bad folks don’t realize cyberthreats, and stalking ARE CRIMES and more and more ISP providers are giving up folks identities to courts in these cases.
I don’t care when life begins, it’s MURDER! And if anyone ever has the the chance, especially women and girls who are considering such a thing, to sit and talk with a few women who’s murdered their child they will tell you how awful it is to live with this “demon” each day. Let’s not forget the damage done to a woman’s body as well. There is absolutely no EXCUSE for a woman to get such a thing and it needs to be outlawed ASAP!
Yursil // May 16, 2007 at 11:32 am |
as-salamu’alaikum,
Death threats are really nothing new… This same ideology has killed off countless number of people since the fall of the Ottoman Khalifate (of which these people were willing participants).
When you speak truth, you have the support of those who are far beyond mere commentators on blogs.
Natalia Antonova // May 16, 2007 at 11:59 am |
Feeding trolls is not a favourite activity of mine – but you have my support in the face of this ridiculous behaviour. Although I think you’re right to be disappointed – I wanted to speak up, and didn’t, because the automatic response is “if you ignore it, it will go away.” But that hasn’t been the case lately, and anyway, when a fellow blogger is attacked in this fashion – solidarity is key.
*hanging head in shame, etc*
Perhaps getting support from a pro-choice humanist might damage your credibility with some of these idiots, but I honestly don’t care.
truthline // May 16, 2007 at 12:19 pm |
As salamu alaikum,
I don’t understand why Muslims would be sending you death threats, but I have an idea it is related to your statement that you pray that the Mujahideen brothers are defeated by the disbelievers ( something to that effect) a few posts back. That is a very strange statement for a Muslim to make. Allahu alum. Even if the Muslims you want to be defeated are wrong their still better than Kuffar. Give them dawah don’t ask Allah for their destruction.
Your readers probably didn’t come to your defense, because anyone could easily see that the brother Sameer was on the money.
You said:
“I do not make any threats to anyone and do not wish harm upon people; but I have saw the photo of Sameer Khan and have a hunch the other cyber-jihadists look like him, and it is almost comical that someone like this would threaten me, who is the size of my 13 year old daughter.”
You prayed for the defeat of Muslims, and Sameer Khan might not be very huge but he KICKED YOUR BUTT intellectually.
http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/my-response-to-umar-lees-accusations/#comment-5038
Ginny // May 16, 2007 at 12:20 pm |
Assalamu alaikum, Umar, firstly, my apologies for not saying something sooner. I guess I just thought I wouldn’t encourage these types of people be commenting, I though t it was better to just keep silent, and make dua for you and your family. My silence ont he issue had nother to do with fear, or anything like that, I just thought it better at the itme anyway, to just keep quiet. Although I can see how you’d feel as though people weren’t supporting you. Both you and Tariq Nelson are in my prayers and just because people odn’t comment publicly, it doesn’t mean that they don’t support you.
Regarding dogs, I am as of now, a former dog guide user. I love animals anyway, however, there is nothing worse to me than an ill-mannered dog! And what’s even worse are ill-mannered service dogs! My now-retired dog hardly ever licked me or anyone else, and if she was out in public, I never let her run around, and although this might seem kind of obvious as she was a trained dog, I think all dog owners should adopt this mentality! Not everyone wants their dog up in their face, and not everyone likes dogs! So even if a dog isn’t some special service animal, they should be well-behaved in public!
Gulf Coast African Lion // May 16, 2007 at 12:21 pm |
Hold on, everybody! This is ridiculous! For one, you all are slandering Inshallahshaheed for a debate that he won! I thought that would be beneath us Muslims. Then Umar said he thinks the ones threatening him are about the same size as Inshallahshaheed, not that Inshallahshaheed threatened him! Umar can already tell that Inshallahshaheed and the ones threatening him are different people!
But some of you supporters turned and started talking like it’s Shaheed himself that threatened him and you all are gonna be the ones to fight for Umar who doesn’t need it anyway! Come off it! It’s just common sense the ones theatening him aren’t gonna be the same ones to come gunning for him!
Umar, even though you distinguish Shaheed from another suburban Desi that may resemble him, that might bring undue bias down on Desis who are more vocal than others. I understand that their culture doesn’t put a premium on fitness and self-defense, but there are also Indians who will take their engineering text book upside our heads with NO warning or threats before hand, too. I was surprised to meet one who boxed in India and now owns a shop in the hood and challenges thugs daily when they try to intimidate him. Accent, bobble head and everything else, STILL telling them “Oh you think you just gone take it and not pay for it?! Come put your life or your freedom on the line!” Those are the ones to worry about!
Abu Sinan // May 16, 2007 at 2:37 pm |
It doesnt suprise me really Umar. I am constantly UNDERWHELMED by the Muslim community.
As to those who would threaten, I posted on my blog at one point that any one who shows up at my house looking to do me or my family harm will be met with a lethal response. I am not the type to play games.
If someone shows up at my place of residence or threatens me and my family in person I will fill them full of holes. It is that simple.
Most of these guys are nothing more than internet cowards. If they had any real minerals they’d have already joined the jihad they are always talking about. Instead they stay at home and issue on line threats in safety.
Cowards!
It is no wonder these types resort to bombing little kids and women in public places. They dont have the nerve to attack those who can defend themselves.
BoozePenguinsThirdAttempt // May 16, 2007 at 2:42 pm |
Umar Lee
The threats are an utter bunch of crap. Whoever is making them apparently forgot about “freedom of expression”.
Keep doin’ what you do Umar. These people are a bunch of god damn pussies.
It’s hard to believe these kind of people exist, people who feel their own opinion warrants attempts at violent intimidation, yet here they are.
You’re doing that right thing here. Fuck these people. You have your rights and you should exercise them to your grave.
BoozePenguinsThirdAttempt // May 16, 2007 at 2:54 pm |
truthline
Even if the Muslims you want to be defeated are wrong their still better than Kuffar
Sick, sick sick. You judge people by the religion they choose instead of the actions they take?
Your readers probably didn’t come to your defense, because anyone could easily see that the brother Sameer was on the money.
I wasn’t here. Now I am.
You prayed for the defeat of Muslims
So? Is it wrong for him to wish the Janjaweed militias in Darfur are defeated? Does being muslim suddenly make a person moral or right regardless of the actions they take?
You are an apologist for threats. You are attempting to rationalize irrational religiously motivated behavior with bigoted statements.
Being muslim doesn’t make someone better then the “kaffir”. Judge people on what they do, not what religious belief they cling to.
Jim Hacking // May 16, 2007 at 2:55 pm |
Salaam, Umar,
As I mentioned last night, anyway that I can help, I will be happy to do so.
The righteous Muslims need to stand up to these wannabe jihadists and put them in their place.
Keep up the good work and may Allah punish those fools the best way He sees fit.
Jim
cncz // May 16, 2007 at 3:55 pm |
Salam alaikoum
Although my original attention was to avoid feeding the trolls, I see where you are coming from as there is always email. I am sorry for the negativity you have received in the last few days…when someone is hating on you, it is usually a sign you are doing something right.
Abu Sinan // May 16, 2007 at 4:02 pm |
I most certainly would side with righteous Christians and Jews over Muslims who commit mass murder in the name of God. I would certainly rather be friends with observant Jews and Christians over people who are “Muslim” in name only.
“Muslims” who kill innocents in the name of God are the biggest threat to the Ummah today. I wish more people would recognise this threat for what it is.
Natalia Antonova // May 16, 2007 at 4:06 pm |
Even if the Muslims you want to be defeated are wrong their still better than Kuffar.
Oh yeah. That’s right. The Muslim guy who assaulted by aunt is a whole lot “better” than the non-Muslim who’s somehow never manage to leave a defenseless human being bruised and blackened, simply by virtue of having a beard and peppering his speech with “inshallah”’s and “salaam”’s.
The Muslim guy who married one of my neighbours, and then abandoned her and their two-year old son because his parents found him a “traditional girl” with an inheritance and a savings account in Germany, he sure is “better” than my father, an evil “Kuffar” dude who supports his family. Who cares if the kid is on welfare in one of the poorest European countries, as long as his so-called father’s name is Mohammed, and as long as Mohammed makes a big show of trotting down to Friday prayers every week.
That’s the sort of logic you’re employing. Not to mention hating on billions of people.
And it’s a shame.
BoozePenguinsThirdAttempt // May 16, 2007 at 4:13 pm |
Abu Sinan
Religion shouldn’t be part of the equation. I’d always rather side with righteous people over those who behave unethically. It’s that simple. For me, religion is a private matter. I simply don’t care, it’s none of my business, so long as you don’t try to force it on me or use it to justify violence..
I think believing otherwise is racist. People should be judged by what they do, not what religion they believe.
Natalia
It’s a common point most dangerous ideologies share – that those within the group are automatically good while those outside the group are bad. Most cults and dangerous groups share this belief in one way or another.
Gulf Coast African Lion // May 16, 2007 at 6:13 pm |
Natalia Anatova, as a Muslim, that ideology is hard even for me to swallow, but in the final run I don’t change my religion. Still, Truthline was addressing a Muslim, so he didn’t explain the whole idea to you. You may have already been told about shirk, so I’ll start there.
Associating any one or thing with Allah as a partner/equal is shirk, the greatest sin to us, based on Qur’anic verses telling us that Allah promises to punish that sin with hellfire forever and to never forgive it except one exception. The associater (mushrik) has to repent sincerely while alive and before seeing death approach him. Who ever dies on shirk in our beliefs is guaranted to burn forever according to our Qur’an. Aside from shirk, Allah will choose whether to punish or forgive a sin against Him.
Now, here’s the justice for your aunt and nephew… Allah will not forgive trespasses against other people. He leaves it to the aggrieved party to forgive or to demand their retribution. Now, your ex-uncle could have offended a Muslim, and on Judgment Day Allah will show that Muslim his reward in paradise for forgiving him, and he’ll gladly say “I forgive all of it”. A non-Muslim ain’t got that reward if they knew Islam and rejected it or died on shirk, right? Right. So that means they have no incentive to forgive, but they still get to take back their vengeance against the Muslim. So your aunt will get to forgive him or punish him, her choice. And if he’s the reason she rejected Islam and Allah’s oneness, he might very well end up burning himself for being a barrier between a human being and Allah. It could be another punishment, Allah will decide and will not short-change your aunt and nephew no matter where they end up in the long run.
So, a Muslim is better than a kaffir based on our Qur’an, but it’s understood among us that Allah still doesn’t short-change anyone. Sorry he didn’t have time to explain it. Hope that clears something up for you. And I wish your aunt and nephew had had better out of him.
inshallahshaheed // May 16, 2007 at 6:20 pm |
So Umar,
Where’s your response? Too scared?
Remember when I started talking about character assassination as the only resort left for those who don’t have any evidences from the Qur’an and Sunnah to support them?
I was right.
Now I see that you start backbiting who I am in size. If you want, I can even prove that it’s backbiting:
Malik related to me from al-Walid ibn Abdullah ibn Sayyad that al-Muttalib ibn Abdullah ibn Hantab al-Makhzumi informed him that a man asked the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, “What is backbiting?” The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “It is to mention about a man what he does not want to hear.” He said, “Messenger of Allah! Even if it is true?” The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “If you utter something false, then it is slander.” (Malik’s Muwatta Book 56, Number 56.4.10)
So you did something worse than backbiting actually. You did slander because it seems you saw the wrong or distorted picture.
The Prophet (Salla Allahu ‘Alayhee wa Sallam) was looking into marrying Safiyyah (Radhi Allahu ‘Anhum). Aisha (Radhi Allahu ‘Anhum) saw her yet out of natural jealousy really didn’t want the Prophet to marry her. So the Prophet asked Aisha about her and Aisha said she was nice and everything was good about her, but then Aisha made a gesture with her hand to show that Safiyyah was short. In response to this the Prophet said just this gesture; if she were to put it into an ocean it would stain the whole ocean. [Sunan Abu Dawud, 41:4857]
So what to say about your likes who have done more?
I don’t need to go as low as you have gone, because I know the consequences of such evil sins in the Hereafter.
Therefore, continue in your degradation of your dignity and continue to lower yourself in the eyes of Allah. I have done my work.
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Taqiudeen bin Patrick // May 16, 2007 at 6:30 pm |
As-salaam alaikum Umar,
I have been reading your blog for a long time, and one of the reasons I have stuck with it since the days on blogspot is because it is informative and entertaining. I either share your take on issues, or I have been there. I don’t agree with everything that you have been posting lately, personally I think you are going a little soft, but I myself have been down that road and Allah’swt guides to the haqq and we will see who is right, inshaa Allah.
Needless to say that any Muslim that threatens anyone’s life not to mention another Muslim is not following Islam, or the method of Rasool Allah(as) in changing peoples ideas, and the society.
Natalia Antonova // May 16, 2007 at 6:33 pm |
Now, here’s the justice for your aunt and nephew…
He’s not my nephew, just a kid from the neighbourhood.
As for who’s better and who’s worse – I don’t play Willy Big Dick with anyone, regardless of faith. Well, Scientology, maybe… ;) But shhhh. Don’t tell anyone.
truthline // May 16, 2007 at 6:39 pm |
Some of you people seem to only follow your desires. If you are Muslim then you have to believe the Quran.
“You judge people by the religion they choose instead of the actions they take?”
Allah says:
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers”. 3:85
“Surely, those who reject Faith (disbelieve in Muhammad SAW as being Allâh’s Prophet and in all that which he has brought from Allâh), neither their properties, nor their offspring will avail them aught against Allâh. They are the dwellers of the Fire, therein they will abide”. 3:116
Does this mean that the Mother Theresa’s of the world are the losers?
“You are an apologist for threats.”
No I’m not. I said before that I don’t understand why Muslims would threaten him. I haven’t seen any threats by the way. I thought we were learning the Haq. I could have missed them.
“Being muslim doesn’t make someone better then the “kaffir”. Judge people on what they do, not what religious belief they cling to.”
Do you have any evidence for your stupid statement. ( Quran and hadeeth)
How will Allah (ta aala) judge us?
Thats not to say that Muslims don’t do wrong and evil acts. Of course they do. I can write complaints about Muslims all day, Muslims are our biggest problem today, but thats another subject.
“Muslims” who kill innocents in the name of God are the biggest threat to the Ummah today.”
Which Muslims are you referring to? Do you have any proof of this? Or are you just repeating lies of the kuffar?
“O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.” 49:6
“They (think to) deceive God and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves and perceive (it) not!In their hearts is a disease(of doubt and hypocrisy) and God has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.And when it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “We are only peace-makers.”Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.” Quran 2: 9-12
There is plenty of evidence that the U.S. military is murdering innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. They have admitted it themselves. For any of you not to speak of those crimes makes you cowards.
samaha // May 16, 2007 at 6:54 pm |
I just noticed your post “Questions from a shaheed Wanna-be and my response to death-threats” through brass crescent and while I have been on a commenting hiatus in blogsville (and don’t think I have ever even commented on your blog) I couldn’t just read and run.
It’s bad enough that some Muslims use Islam to promote hate for the sake of some agenda or to justify vengence through the means of slight intimidations and fear mongering in which stating that one that does not agree with a certain opinion is himself a kaffir or one that does or does not do certain things is an apostate or not a Muslim. That is about the worst it has gotten in my e-mail box from a Muslim colleague living here in the US in which I was sent a link to the rantings of some dude (not even in the US) talking about the wrongs of inter-faith and something similar to what shaheed wanna-be insists upon, I was asked to “read and benefit”. I sincerely hope that he benefited from the reply he got :-)
Although through that experience I have learned that too often people stay quiet when recieving such ideologies from someone that they know. It seems that even those that I knew that were involved with interfaith just let it go. There is no solution in ignoring these issues and I’m not quite sure that there is a solution within these online debates going on as everyone is faceless and I am assuming that we are mostly using psuedonyms. Things are getting out of hand as these death threats are proving and it is so unfortunate that it is those amongst us that look for peaceful solutions, that question and criticize the violence the most that get the threats. It is sad.
Please report the threats that you have recieved. Don’t just let it go.
Keeping you and your family in my dua’s!
BoozePenguinsThirdAttempt // May 16, 2007 at 7:29 pm |
truthline
Is the Quran the only source you can cite to back up your assertions?
I don’t believe in allah and I don’t believe in the Quran. 7th century texts do not count as evidence for me. These arguments you have made, quotes from the Quran only apply to Muslims. How do you expect to make any sort of argument if you are dealing with non-muslims?
You do judge people by the faith the subscribe to instead of the actions they take. i think that’s sick. I don’t really care if you think it’s your religion or not – it’s sick.
“Do you have any evidence for your stupid statement.”
If the only evidence you will accept is a 7th century text then no, I don’t. I have observations from today, but they don’t much apply to you, right? If it’s not in the Quran it couldn’t be true, since the Quran is the word of god, right?
If you rely on the Quran as a source for all your arguments then i’m afraid you are basing your opinions on faith, on the existence of a god who’s existence can’t be proven and a text from 7th century arabia you claim is the word of God (unverifiable, of course).
For people who turn to a literal text as a source of argumentation reason is powerless. Faith trumps reason always, since faith requires neither evidence nor critical thought.
I don’t think i can argue with your Quranic texts if you honestly believe people should be judged by wether they accept Islam or not. Since you won’t except any source but the Quran, i’m afraid we have little to discuss.
You should know, however that one of the hallmarks of a cult is that outside information is blocked out. Dissenting opinions are deemed unworthy and the only acceptable information to the true believer originates from within the group. You seem to be very keen on relying on one single source for your arguments, and i’m afraid that isn’t a very good sign.
jagga // May 16, 2007 at 7:39 pm |
to umar lee and supporters may Allah (swt) guide you to the truth,Samir Khan totally defeated you in the debate he did not threaten you like you claim and defeated you with proof from the quran and sunnah.you even accused him of not being a muslim and of being a fbi agent were you trying some reverse psychology?
samir khan has now made you another offer he said:
“If you really think you weren’t defeated, then I say as Allah says, “Say: Bring all of your proofs (burhaankum) if you are truthful (Saadiqeen)!” (27:64) Here, I’ll even make it easier on you: If you can, bring your Shaykh’s and Imaam’s if you have any. Gather them all and have them formulate a response and I will respond to them.”
Are you man enough to take up the offer?if not i suggest you close down this blog and spend some time learning about Islam instead of ranting here spreading falsehood.
BoozePenguinsThirdAttempt // May 16, 2007 at 7:43 pm |
Why is the Quran proof? How is it validated? What corresponding sources back up it’s assertions? How can you prove to a non-believer that it is the word of God?
It’s only a source if you believe it is the word of allah, and that is a massive leap of anti-scientific faith, like all religion.
Dave // May 16, 2007 at 7:51 pm |
All you jihadi nutcases are sick. Furthermore, you are all hypocrites as most of you live in the west nattering about how much you hate it while living off its bounty. You’re also liars who follow non-sequiter arguments; Umar WON the debate, hands down, through simple reason. You bring up some Qu’ran passages that have nothing to do with the situation or are provided out of context, and say “well, I used teh Qu’ran, I won”.
We are not automatically better than those you call the Kafirun, the view is not supported by the Qu’ran no matter how much you wish to twist things. The simple, bizarre believers/unbelievers dichotomy you have constructed to politicize religion in support of tyrants and thugs holds no water.
Also, you twisted Umar’s implication that not everyone on the internet is who they say they are, to a declaration of takfir. This is a LIE, and you all know it. So between being liars, hypocrites, supporters of murder, and anonymous cowards, I don’t think Umar, or anyone, has shit to prove to you. People like you need to be dealt with not with rhetorical arguments, but with the back of a hand, because that’s all your small minds are going to understand.
Honestly, you’re nothing but a mirror image of the treacherous and crazy Christians, Jews, and Atheists who clamor for Muslim blood, you’re just peppering your speech in Arabic instead of Hebrew or Fox News-isms. The reasonable people of the world are sick of all of you and wish you’d go fight it out on an island somewhere. FUCK OFF.
BoozePenguinsThirdAttempt // May 16, 2007 at 7:55 pm |
Dave
The simple, bizarre believers/unbelievers dichotomy you have constructed to politicize religion in support of tyrants and thugs holds no water.
Ahh thank you Dave! So much more eloquently then I could say.
The reasonable people of the world are sick of all of you and wish you’d go fight it out on an island somewhere. FUCK OFF.
Indeed. Reasonable people of the world unite! :P
truthline // May 16, 2007 at 7:57 pm |
Boozerpenguin,
For some reason I thought you were Muslim. A Muslim believes the Quran is the word of God, and Muslims refer to it as evidence because we all agree that it is truth. Although; there may be a difference in our interpretation of the meaning.
If you don’t believe the Quran is the truth I suggest looking at some of the proofs that it is.
http://truthline.wordpress.com/quran/
You should look at Islam for what it is and not by what Muslims are.
BoozePenguinsThirdAttempt // May 16, 2007 at 8:01 pm |
truthline
Well, what is Islam? How would you go about making your arguments (they may be true or not, i’m not sure) to someone who remain skeptical of religion as a whole?
There must be another source you can cite?
truthline // May 16, 2007 at 8:10 pm |
BoozePenguin,
Science and reason. Try link above.
BoozePenguinsThirdAttempt // May 16, 2007 at 8:17 pm |
truthline
Science evolves. In the link you suggest that the fact the Quran hasn’t changes makes it authentic and true – that is by definition anti-scientific.
If it hasn’t changed in hundreds of years i would call that stagnation, i wouldn’t point to that as proof of it’s authenticity.
Taqiudeen bin Patrick // May 16, 2007 at 8:27 pm |
As salaam alaikum Umar,
I usually just read your posts, and leave the comments alone, unless I feel strongly about something.
I can’t believe all the negative comments about your blog. I feel you have an excellent blog on the pulse of Muslims in America, and I hope that you don’t take some of these comments to heart. Keep your head up, and keep posting.
fairuzamizna // May 16, 2007 at 9:11 pm |
Umar
I personally think Black Lion is a poser, but you should never take a threat lightly. You just never know these days.
Don’t worry, you got lots of support Brother, lots of it!
fairuzamizna // May 16, 2007 at 9:11 pm |
Umar
I personally think Black Lion is a poser, but you should never take a threat lightly. You just never know these days.
Don’t worry, you got lots of support Brother, lots of it!
AnonyMouse // May 16, 2007 at 9:30 pm |
On the subject of abortion, here are Sheikh Tawfique Choudhary’s thoughts on the same subject:
#FF3333
AnonyMouse // May 16, 2007 at 9:31 pm |
Oops… I messed up there… but click on the link; it’s the right one!
Marc // May 17, 2007 at 12:57 am |
Akhi, for you to be close enough to smell a dog on a woman would be to go against the manhaj – I will consult Bukhari and see what appropriate actions to take. Shukran.
[and I hope you know I'm only teasing you!]
Muslim brother // May 17, 2007 at 6:06 am |
As-salaamu alaikum to inshallahshaheed and everyone that supports inshallahshaheed:
I must say that indeed while inshallahshaheed seems to be very articulate, intelligent, and passionate about the Deen of Allah (swt), the main reason (and probably the only reason) why I (and many, many others, including Umar, although I’m just speaking for myself) cannot see eye to eye with him can be described in a very short phrase:
Their TOTAL defense, TOTAL praise and TOTAL promotion of Muslims committing heinous and barbaric acts; that is, killing and slaughtering innocent noncombatant (civilian) non-Muslims.
Wallahi, I really do not get how you brothers (and sisters) can believe these things that you believe. SubhanAllah. To inshallahshaheed, and the many like-minded Muslims like him, it seems that ANY and ALL killing of noncombatant (civilian) non-Muslims is totally 100% Islamically halaal, great, and terrific, etc. Is this not correct?
To inshallahshaheed, and the many brothers and sisters that share his philosophy, it was/is somehow so great, so terrific, and a reason for all Muslims to celebrate when Muslims slaughtered noncombatant non-Muslims in the Twin towers on 9-11 (the Pentagon can be described as military), when they killed noncombatant non-Muslims in the 7-7 London subway bombings (although I believe these so-called “heroes” also killed a handful of Muslims), when they killed many noncombatant non-Muslims in the Madrid bombings, etc., and again, I believe they would say that ANY killing/slaughter of noncombatant non-Muslims by Muslims was and is somehow great, and terrific for the Deen of Allah (swt) and the Ummah of the prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa salaam. SubhanAllah. Is this not correct?
I have a hypothetical question, insha’Allah. If anyone calling himself a “Muslim” where to go to a mall in say the UK or the USA, and blow himself up killing many, many noncombatant (civilian) kuffar, in “your” eyes, would this not be a 100% praiseworthy, fantastic, “great” for Islam, and a totally halaal operation Islamically, etc.? IMHO, I believe most of you brothers and sisters would probably say yes. Correct me If I’m wrong.
Another hypothetical, insha’Allah. What if the non-Muslim Korean-American psychopath murderer that committed the heinous massacre at VA Tech had been a Muslim? Allahu alam, but IMHO, I truly believe that “many” of you brothers and sisters would maybe be saying that what happened was totally praiseworthy, great, and totally permissible Islamically, etc. I apologize if I’m wrong about this.
Dear inshallahshaheed and supporters of inshallahshaheed, I apologize if I am wrong about my description of the way in which I believe that you brothers/sisters see things, but I hope you understand where I’m coming from insha’Allah.
And by the way, I have written and posted online, and talked to many Muslims and non-Muslims alike, for a long time, about the many despicable, heinous, filthy, and barbaric crimes and massacres carried out by the zionist entity and the Crusaders, whether in Srebrenica, in Chechnya, in Filasteen, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Kosova, etc., etc., etc.
wa salaam
abuahmed // May 17, 2007 at 7:37 am |
Avoid fitnah on your blog. This is your space, so don’t let it be promoted by others who’s agenda is against your own. There are other places where they can extol the exclusivity of their virtue. At the same time, avoid taking potshots at them in their absence. Whatever your message is, let it be clear without personal references.
Yusuf Smith // May 17, 2007 at 7:50 am |
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,
Yeah I kind of agree with abuahmed, I don’t let idiots fill my blog with crap comments like they did a couple of years ago. I started moderating because I was fed up with the comments sections being dominated by blindly hostile non-Muslims posting the same old stuff over and over again. These armchair jihadis are no better, I agree that some of them are probably agents. They have said their piece and should be banned now. If you don’t stop this, Muslims will stop reading the comments because they will expect them to be full of this stuff.
As for what Marc said, I must say I’ve never been close enough to a woman to smell dog on her either (even my aunt who has a dog), but perhaps my sense of smell isn’t all that sharp.
Umar Lee // May 17, 2007 at 8:04 am |
Abu Hamed and Yusuf,
I see what you are saying and I think I am going to move to a membership requirement for comments when i figure out how to do it. This will allow for a free flow of commenting from regualr readers while not forcing me to take the time to moderate each comment.
This is a step I will be taking but do not want to take because I like to let people of different opinions than mine express their views eve if the language they use is aggressive, but I guess I have no choice in the matter at this point.
I am also saving some of the more vile comments for a reason as what some people have said I want to remain public unless they public apologize.
truthline // May 17, 2007 at 2:38 pm |
Muslim brother,
wa alaikum salaam wa rahmatullah
I also can only speak for myself, but think you may have touched on the root of the problem.
You are assuming that the lies and propaganda being fed to you by the Western media is true. Do you even attempt to find the truth? Do you ever read the information about the events from the side of the Mujahideen? Have you ever noticed how the Western terrorists lie about operations and sometimes they only acknowledge the lies when they are caught in the lie? (Many times by video from the Mujahideen)
The Mujahideen have taken credit for many attacks against occupation forces, but not attacks against civilians. Why is that? They have posted statements saying they intend to protect their people so why would they intentionally kill them? They have also posted statements saying they did not do such and such act which was blamed on them. There is evidence that the occupation has been murdering non-combatants by car bombs and such and it has been documented. But that sounds way too far fetched for you though, right?
You hear lie after lie after lie that the Mujahideen killed their own people and you believe it. The kafir terrorists are killing innocents and blaming the resistance for it in an attempt to sway support from them. Its not working because the people that are living through occupation know otherwise. It does help the enemies of Allah(ta aala) get support from their home countries though. When they are able to convince the people to believe the lies as you do, those people will support the war against Islam even more.
When the Mujahideen say they did or did not do something I believe them until I find out otherwise. They are brothers that fear Allah (ta aala) much and many have devoted their life to the service of Allah.
When the known liars say something it must be verified first.
Allah (ta aala) says:
” O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.” Quran 49: 6
and:
“They (think to) deceive God and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves and perceive (it) not!In their hearts is a disease(of doubt and hypocrisy) and God has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.And when it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “We are only peace-makers.”Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.” Quran 2: 9-12
You said:
“And by the way, I have written and posted online, and talked to many Muslims and non-Muslims alike, for a long time, about the many despicable, heinous, filthy, and barbaric crimes and massacres carried out by the zionist entity and the Crusaders, whether in Srebrenica, in Chechnya, in Filasteen, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Kosova, etc., etc., etc.
Alhamdulillah, you acknowledge those crimes. Why don’t you support those that are fighting the criminals? Why don’t you at least give them benefit of doubt? And if someone breaks into your home rapes your wife and daughter, and threatens to kill you do you really care who comes and drives them off?
To answer your questions:
I don’t understand why Muslims would want to blow up people riding to work on a train etc.. I don’t condone it and I do NOT want any part of those acts. I feel that if they want to do those acts they should direct them towards combatants in one of the many places where Muslims are being invaded and violated by the kuffar. I will not say whether I believe it to be halal or haram because i’m not qualified, but i will say that if it is halal for me not to do it I will choose NOT to do it.
I accept your apology.
Margari Aziza Hill // May 17, 2007 at 6:23 pm |
I hate visiting dog lovers’ homes and the whole place smells like dog. I always wonder when I leave their place if I’ll smell like dog too. Male dogs are especially gross. Please keep your slobbering dogs away from me. Seeing eye dogs, for the blind, are helpful. How do you deal with that issue Umar? Do you allow a vision impaired person in your cab? No judgment here, just curious.
(BTW, ever notice how when kids play outside for hours, they come inside smelling like puppies? Mind you puppy smell is not as bad as dog smell. I guess that’s a form of kid B.O. No offense to Maturity Impaired Little People. I love kids–I mean children, because that would be like calling the MILP little goats.)
jagga // May 17, 2007 at 7:11 pm |
to umar lee the kaffir loving hypocrite and his kaffir loving hypocrite supporters who pray for the destruction of the mujahideen and call kaffir troops “my fellow citizens” repent to Allah(swt) or await his punishment.
If you insist on promoting this hypocrisy to other muslims then i dare you to take up inshallahshaheed on his offer bring your shaykhs and imams if you are truthfull.
samir khan has now made you another offer he said:
“If you really think you weren’t defeated, then I say as Allah says, “Say: Bring all of your proofs (burhaankum) if you are truthful (Saadiqeen)!” (27:64) Here, I’ll even make it easier on you: If you can, bring your Shaykh’s and Imaam’s if you have any. Gather them all and have them formulate a response and I will respond to them.”
If not then shut up and close down this blog!
your hypocrisy has been revealed to many muslims!
this comment is for the benefit of so called muslim brothers who are far from the truth,so if any of you kaffirs are in any way offended by what is written here you can go to hell.
jagga // May 17, 2007 at 7:18 pm |
Umar lee said
“I see what you are saying and I think I am going to move to a membership requirement for comments when i figure out how to do it. This will allow for a free flow of commenting from regualr readers while not forcing me to take the time to moderate each comment”
So it will be kaffir loving hypocrites like you who will only be allowed to comment.
Umar Lee // May 17, 2007 at 7:28 pm |
Margari, I allow dogs for the blind in me cab, I mean as much as I hate dogs I have to put myself in their shoes.
jagga // May 17, 2007 at 7:50 pm |
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for this) is one of them. Verily Allah does not guide the Dhalimeen. (5:51)
You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk; these are they into whose hearts He has impressed faith, and whom He has strengthened with an inspiration from Him: and He will cause them to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein; Allah is well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with Him! They are the party of Allah; and indeed the party of Allah are the successful ones! (58:22)
And the Kafireen are Awliyaa (protectors, helpers, friends) of one another. Unless ye do this [protect each other (i.e., the Ummah)], there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief. (al-Anfal: 73)
Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them, the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes. This is because they said to those who hate what Allah has revealed, “We will obey you in part of (this) matter”; but Allah knows their (inner) secrets. (al-Muhammad: 25-26)
Natalia Antonova // May 17, 2007 at 10:05 pm |
Jagga, go play some ball, or something. Get a massage. You remind me of one of those Southern reactionaries who used to call their more progressive counterparts “nigger-lovers.” It’s basically the same rhetoric. And please don’t give me the crap about “but you can choose your religion blah blah blah.” Been there. Done that. At the end of the day, you’re still a flaming bigot. No better than Ann Coulter and her ilk.
Umar, speaking of dogs, do you want to adopt my puppy? We’re moving and the vet doesn’t think we should take her with us, on account of the climate at what will hopefully be our new home. Just kidding! ;)
A dog saved my life once, which is all anyone needs to know about that, I suppose. :)
Safia // May 17, 2007 at 10:26 pm |
Salaam,
Those who stand in opposition to Allah and the Prophet (peace be upon him) include those Muslims who would use the Qur’an to promote evil. This is what some among the People of the Book did, they distorted their Holy Books for their own ends, and it what the Qur’an warns us against. I do not think these people completely understand the magnitude of what they do, and that they have accomplished nothing but harm and pain within the Ummah. The Qur’an condemns the murderer, but this implication seems to miss them. I feel sorry for them, and I pray that they are guided.
Stay strong Umar, you have a good blog and are doing good things, even if I disagree with you sometimes:) I didn’t respond like I didn’t respond when those LGF nutcases were here either, I think a lot of people just try to ignore the trolls from both sides. And report threats to the proper authorities, you should not hesitate.
GOMEZ // May 17, 2007 at 11:34 pm |
To JAGGA, TRUTHLINE AND SHAHIDINSHALLAH
I didn’t know you guys were Mufassiruns’? Given Tafsir on the term Awliya, Subhana Allah!
How can an ordinary Muslims (Jagga, Truthline, Shahidinshallah and most of us in here) have the audacity to attempt to do interpretation on a verse of the Quran or the Hadith of the Prophet?
The mufassir must:
• Be sound in belief (’aqîda).
• Well-grounded in the knowledge of Arabic and its rules as a language.
• Well-grounded in other sciences that are connected with the study of the Qur’ân (e.g. ‘ilm al-riwâya).
• Have the ability for precise comprehension.
• Abstain from the use of mere opinion.
• Begin the tafsîr of the Qur’ân with the Qur’ân.
• Seek guidance from the words and explanations of the Prophet.
• Refer to the reports from the sahâba.
• Consider the reports from the tâbicûn.
• Consult the opinions of other eminent scholars.
unaha-closp // May 18, 2007 at 12:08 am |
“Dogs and Self-Defence”
If two (or more) dogs attack you at once, one will go head on and the other will go for your calves to bring you down from behind. The one to pay most attention to is the one attacking from behind.
Ginny // May 18, 2007 at 1:50 am |
Assalamu alaikum, as I said before, I’m an as of now former dog handler, and I don’t like dogs jumping on me, licking me, etc., either! Generally, if someone keeps their dogs clean, i.e., grooms and bathes them properly, they are not going to smell. Although I guess they’d have some smell if you’re not used to being around them. Also, a well-trained, well-bheaved dog is not oging to jump on you either. However, there are a lot of irresponsible dog owners out there who don’t properly take care of their dogs, and saly, this applies to people who use dog guides andother service animals either.
I wasn’t a Muslim at the time I got my first Leader Dog, but even then, I didn’t like dogs licking me, etc., and I jokingly asked my trainer for a dog who didn’t lick, and I got one lol. My dog also didn’t drool that often either which I also find to be disgusting!
Anyway, of course if I didn’t like dogs none of what I just said above would matter *smile*. BTW, my dog has saved my life also (from a house fire). Not to mention keeping me from running into things, walking out into streets where cars are coming and so many other things. I just wanted to point out that there is nothing like a well-trained, well-behaved dog! And of course an inteligetn dog lol, obviously. I am in the process of applying for my second dog, and I can only make dua that they are as intelligent and well-behaved as my first dog was. I don’t know how many times I’d be somewhere and people would walk past and say “I didn’t know that there was a dog here”, and that’s how it should be!
Margari Aziza Hill // May 18, 2007 at 7:40 pm |
Ginny same for people, if you bathe them and groom them property they do not smell. But I have smelt people who make me think that dog smell is better than body odor from a human. I spent a summer in a language program with a person who took showers but smelt awful by afternoon. It was so bad, that it made my stomach turn. I was stuck on a flight to Paris, and there was a brother who was killing us with the odor. Also, some of our brethren from India and sub-Saharan Africa come to America overlooking our cultural value of deoderant. I’m all for multi-culturalism, but please respect ours and our noses.
OmarG // May 18, 2007 at 11:28 pm |
truthline, you are a nut. I only wish you had the balls to be in Fallujah…
See, Umar. These people can’t be reasoned with. In the real world, we could beat ‘em down and sometimes have. But, on the internet, the back-and-forth’s can go on forever, with these nuts always claiming some sort of victory. Their so-called and self-proclaimed victories are hollow and in words only. That’s why so many people ignore them = don’t feed the troll! But, there is something to be said for having reams of comments in your support, so count this as one of those.
OmarG // May 18, 2007 at 11:42 pm |
So, I’m reading more of thier rants here in the comments and it is very sad that they abuse the Quran. They twist the most obvious meanings of the verses into non-sensical interpretations. Many of these verses refer to believing in Islam as the belief in the oneness of God, and not in Islam as a pre-packaged political agenda as they try to make us believe. Maybe if they read Arabic and would read the multi-volume interpretations of the Quran (tafsir) by real scholars, then maybe they would understand the severity of their errors in twisting the din. There are, of course, verses about that, too!
truthline // May 19, 2007 at 2:39 pm |
OmarG,
The big bad scary know it all Marine. Why do I need to be in Fallujah to see that the invaders are the bad guys? I can see that fact from where I am at.
You have some warped idea that I want to go fight the bad guys and save the world. I don’t have that desire right now at this point in my life. I do have a desire for the truth to be known. The truth is that America has no intention of leaving Iraq. They might bring home most of the troops but they didn’t build those huge bases and the worlds largest Embassy for nothing. They will leave tens of thousands there to protect what they went there for, not to mention thousands of private heavily armed security people. It will take a serious army to get them out. Not some hit and run attacks.
As long as they can keep the oil flowing and the puppet govt. can put on a show in the green zone they don’t care what goes on outside. Thats the bottom line.
The war is illegal, immoral, and you are the nut case for blaming the resistance for the corruption. And if you believe all of the lies from your sick twisted government you are also stupid.
You resort to calling me names because I’m right and you know it. You want to beat someone down just because I’m right. Your the nut not me.
If I’m so wrong why can’t you prove it.
Your the one with no balls, because you will criticize the resistance for crimes they didn’t do but you don’t say a word when the real criminals, the real terrorists (U.S.) kill innocents, and you never doubt their righteousness.
Sabir // May 19, 2007 at 6:43 pm |
“If it were not serious I would get a good laugh out of i the fact that middle-class Desi suburbanites who have never been in a boxing ring or street fight would threaten me…”
“I understand that their culture doesn’t put a premium on fitness and self-defense…”
I really wish people wouldn’t say these things. I’m not sure where the stereotype of the passive-aggressive, wimpy South Asian came from, but it’s not remotely true (not in my experience, anyway). Having said that, however, I’d like to say that these imbeciles threatening UmarLee are in no way representative of the South Asian Muslim American whatsoever.
Sabir // May 19, 2007 at 7:09 pm |
I just read over some of this discussion in more detail. I wouldn’t even waste my time with these people if I were you. This guy Inshallahshaheed’s questions on the previous post are simplistic, immature, and indicate that he has a warped understanding of reality. The fact that he lives here in the US indicates that he’s not serious about Jihad, let alone following through on an internet death threat.
But in any event, I think that you and Tariq are both well within your rights if you do choose to report him to the authorities.
OmarG // May 19, 2007 at 7:46 pm |
falseline,
>>If I’m so wrong why can’t you prove it.
Same for you…which is why this is useless. Thing is, I’ve been there, you have not. I’ve encountered these kinds of people, you have not. I know they spout BS; you gullibly believe every exaggerated “report” they put out. You represent yourself as seeking truth and as having found it, but you have only deluded yourself and permitted yourself to be deceived by people who pretend to love Allah and His Messenger. So, YOU prove it…
DrM // May 20, 2007 at 5:37 am |
How come you aren’t in Fallujah, Gomer? Run out of napalm to drop on civilians? Or just too busy thumping your sagging chest online?
Steve Klinsam // May 20, 2007 at 4:53 pm |
Post Sameer Khan’s picture. I’d like to see what this cowardly scum bag looks like.
Mujahid Shaheed Clayton // May 21, 2007 at 12:57 pm |
Steve Klinsam, I took the liberty of looking you up and found your drivers license photo here.
After 3 years in Kuwait teaching English and traveling to Malaysia on holidays, I advise you progressive, liberal, American Muslims to move to one Muslim country or another before it’s too late. Do your research and find out which one you’d like best but don’t stay in the west thinking you’re the sun that will rise from there. Yes Muslim lands are corrupt and all of that but they are still Muslim and you can find friends that follow Sunnah and are good for you. You can find friends here who always remind you to do good deeds and prepare for the Last Day. In Kuwait, in Oman, in Malaysia, in Indonesia, even in countries that are complete failures like Egypt. You can learn Islam here more than you ever could over there in the west even when the governments here are trying to change it to please Washington and London. You have shuyukh here who teach the truth despite the rulers and they remain free. Some of them are free despite warrants out for their arrest because no one dares to approach them with ill intent.
Or you can stay there and think you’re being a good Muslim because you insult brothers like Samer while the Jews and Christians are pleased with you.
jagga // May 22, 2007 at 6:29 pm |
“If it were not serious I would get a good laugh out of i the fact that middle-class Desi suburbanites who have never been in a boxing ring or street fight would threaten me…”
This desi has been in a boxing ring and streetfight and would love to pummel your fat ugly face in the ring or any place you choose are you man enough to take up my serious offer.
oh i forgot your a coward umar lee you didn’t have the balls to take samir up on his challenge did you,you kaffir loving munafiq .
Manas Shaikh // June 5, 2007 at 3:59 pm |
Salaam brother
I fully denounce such threats. I seriously think they don’t pose any real threat though. (Unless they come from somebody in the guise of Islamic fanatics, in that case it could be very different.)