Oh British Muslims!
If there was any doubt that I would be travelling to Great Britain later this year it has been confirmed by events that have happened over the last couple of days and my need to get some answers to some things that are on my mind.
We all know what has happened with the recent attempted bombings whose failure the British media are attributing to luck, but we as Muslims should recognize as the Qadr of Allah, and of the arrests that have occurred.
Whatever anyone will say about me, and if they love me or hate me, I think that most will recognize that I have a pretty good understanding of the situation of Muslims in America even if people do not always agree with my conclusions, but the situation of Muslims in Britain is something I still do not have a good grasp on and I feel that most British Muslims I have spoken too are not speaking to the heart of the matter or have a hard time communicating their feelings to outsiders.
Clearly there is something going on with some Muslims in Britain, and how many Muslims violent extremism has attracted I do not know, but I think Muslims look pretty foolish when they say that no such problem exists when it clearly does.
I guess it was in the late 90’s that I first got exposed to this when I group of young lunatics from London travelled to the US and I met them in Virginia. I had seen nutty American brothers, but not to the extent of these brothers, and I am pretty sure they were the first to begin distributing the cassettes of Sheikh Faisal.
Faisal was beyond the point of being nuts and he was to the point where I questioned his sanity and was amazed to find out that he actually had a following in Britain and I could not imagine this in America. Couple this with that guy with the hook in his arm and some of the other more eccentric figures in Britain and it seems that you have a movement across the pond that has some degree of popularity that there is no equivalent to here in the US.
Why is this? Allah knows best, but an analogy I can draw is that amongst the second-generation Latinos and beyond in America there has developed a gang-culture as a form of rebellion or admission to their non-acceptance into the greater society, and maybe this jihadi movement is the gang movement of Desis and other Muslim immigrants who by their nature are not prone to organized criminality in a way that many from Latin America are, and see themselves as not being accepted in the place they grew up.
I also have to feel that the “culture of victimization” that so many Muslims who have been influenced by modern thinkers of the left buy into has a role to play here. Instead of embracing empowerment the new waves want to be recognized as the new oppressed minority living amongst the evil white British and therefore they cannot be held accountable for anything they do and if a terrorist attack does occur the victims become, not those who died, but the Muslim community who then has to face the wrath of white British society. I also have to blame the new British Male in “cool Britannia” who puts up with this nonesense because I doubt these young jihadi wanna-bes are hanging in front of pubs in working class Manchester egging on the likes of Ricky Hatton with their rhetoric and are sticking to pissing off the Anglo-French crowd and I cant think of where in America these guys would not get thier butts kicked outisde of yuppie areas that also look to the European elite as a model.
There should be a degree of maturity here from British Muslims and a recognition that the police may have to step on a few toes in their investigations in order to prevent massive deaths and we should pray that they succeed in their efforts insha’Allah. This does not mean you should forget about your rights and let yourselves be trampled and act like second-class citizens, it simply means you should live in the real world. After all, does anyone seriously think that the Saudi police would exercise much restraint of a Filipino movement using terror emerged in the kingdom or a Chinese one emerged in Indonesia?
What the Muslim community in Britain needs to do is to dismiss the PR gimmicks and the whitewashing and try and look at some of the problems they have in a serious way and do this without selling out as many have done in the past along with the British people looking at the problem in a mature way and seeing if they can meet reasonable Muslims half way on some issues. There is a middle way.
July 1, 2007 at 10:13 pm
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,
It’s important to remember that people like Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri (not so much Faisal) have a media profile bigger than their following - in particular, Omar Bakri always found a nearby microphone when he had something stupid and embarrassing to say, and the Sun newspaper (a low-rent Murdoch rag) gave massive coverage to Abu Hamza’s street khutbas after his fiefdom at Finsbury Park mosque (of which he had seized control by force, rather than being an elected imam) was closed down. What every Pakistani imam says in a khutba or bayan, usually about mundane matters, does not of course make it to the front pages of the local paper, much less the Sun. As for Faisal, his following was pretty small although a lot of people listened to his tapes without realising what an extremist nut he was. In particular, they warmed to his attacks on Saudi Arabia without realising he was doing it from an extremist “salafi” standpoint rather than from theirs; his ravings about various “salafi” preachers and the background to them probably went over their heads.
July 1, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Assalamualaikum
I agree that in light of recent events in the UK there seems to be a bit of an ‘issue’ with some of our brothers and sisters in old blighty.
However, I wouldn’t give up on us just yet. There are a few of us trying to stick to a middle way - check out ummahpulse.co.uk. there are some excellent articles.
Wassalam
July 1, 2007 at 10:20 pm
By the way: the “freedom go to hell” placards indicate that this is an al-Muhajiroun demo (or by their remnants). Al-Muhajiroun were Omar Bakri’s old gang and they have a habit of gate-crashing other groups’ demos and shouting offensive slogans like the one on that placard, and glorifying terrorist attacks. It’s happened in the past that a demo was reported as having ex-Gitmo people speak and offensive slogans chanted, and I only later found out that the slogans were chanted by al-Muhajiroun gatecrashers.
July 2, 2007 at 5:05 am
we’re not all mad: http://alternativeentertainment.wordpress.com/2007/07/01/greatest-day-of-my-life-not/
feel free to come here and sort these crazy terrorists out.
July 2, 2007 at 7:08 am
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July 2, 2007 at 9:16 am
Assalamualaikum
There are a couple of good posts up on ummahpulse.co.uk which I hope helps restore your faith in your brothers and sisters across the Atlantic!
http://ummahpulse.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=141&Itemid=37
http://ummahpulse.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=140&Itemid=37
Wassalam
Karima
July 2, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Sheikh Omar Bakri has a following in his new home of Lebanon now lol
July 2, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Assalamu Alaykum
I dont think that theres a more radical element in the UK than anywhere else but I do think that there is a huge disconnect between the older immigrant muslims and the younger british born muslims.
Putting it in perspective..the Uk is a small country with a lot of wealth. It may then seem as if more radicalism is contained there because you have a lot of people crushed together.
British society isnt like American society. The immigrants are not hyphenated like the US. There are no british chinese or african british…you are considered british and expected to assimilate. You are expected to embrace the “British” way rather than be whatever youe ethnic origin is. Britain does work hard to bring the multi-cultures together yet at the same time there is a deep distrust in the UK for anything that is considered “foreign”
Fast forward to now. A lot of disenfranchised desendants of immigrants who want to be “seen”. I believe thats one of the reasons that radicalism in its worst form has found a foothold in the UK.
Three of the arrested people are doctors of middle eastern origin. What does that say?It tells me that the educated middle eastern, desi professionals can no longer absolve themselves of responsibility for the state of the muslim communities in their lands. Being an educated muslim used to give you a pass at being considereds a non threat. Now its clear that every singlearab/desis professional will be seen as a threat.
Its funny after 9-11 I remember there were so many desis muslims on TV talking about the threat from the afircan american muslim reverts. The radicals who convereted to Islam in Jail….and other than the crew in Miami(who werent muslim) you havent heard of ONE terroist attack at the hands from these hoardes of disenfranchised “thugs” have we…
As a British muslim..I was mortified to hear about the car bombs. I felt indignant..I said” how dare they try to bomb trafalger square….” I guess nowhere is going to be a place of respite anymore but we can handle it. I grew up in the era of the IRA.
Wsalaam
July 2, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Well, it seems that one was an Iraqi doctor that just arrived there in the UK a year ago.
July 2, 2007 at 5:06 pm
There’s definitely a problem here, but five of those being held for this incident so far are of Middle Eastern origin.
The doctors being held are Iraqi and Jordanian.
July 2, 2007 at 5:10 pm
interesting analysis.
one thing made me laugh outloud and shake my head though: Latin@s have a natural tendency towards organized crime??? Desis by their nature aren’t gang prone? There are S. Asian mafias (organized crime, drugs, human trafficking, is a problem in Dubai because of S. Asian mafia, for example) and there are other factors that lead to Latin@ gang orientation in the US, not some innate cholo gene. BTW the gang banging spread from the US to Latin America in most cases, not the otherway around.
Anywayz, so how would one go about investigating this matter…just fly there and ask?
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July 2, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Brother Umar- I have to contest some of your assertions here. The majority of the desi youth that are attracted to these movements are not comparable to the yuppie desi crowd we have in America. The Pakistanis/Bangladeshis that went to England in the ’60s were largely working class and their children for the most part have formed a ghetto culture within the industrial cities of England.Meaning that these cats will fight you, knife you, etc. Many of them live in council estates (which is the British equivalent of the projects) where you will see Bengali kids strung out on heron and people selling their moms jewelry for drugs. They got gangs, the whole nine. They came up fighting the white racist hooligans who you’re saying should take them down. This sort of dialogue attracts them, these are not yuppies. So there is no “inherent nature” of criminality with anyone. Your surroundings play a significant part as to how grimy you can be.
July 2, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Bro. Umar,
I think that saying that Latin Americans are prone or it’s in our nature to become criminals is a false assertion because you are using the same formula that non-Muslims use for against Muslims. Non-Muslims assert that Arabs is inherently violent and misogynistic because of what is going in the Muslim world, to the point they have said the Prophet was the embodiment of evil (Audhubillah).
People become who they are due to various circumstances around them, Colombians are known for drug- trafficking but that’s one to five countries in Latin American who are involved in drugs, demand creates jobs right?
Gangs were non-existent in the early 80’s but became rampant after mass deportation to Central America, and they created new gangs, I still remember as a kid, we were able to travel late at night with my father and he had no fear of being rob or kill.
Criminals are created not born with the original sin.
July 2, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Blaming British Muslims for the recent bomb attempts
Oh British Muslims! « Umar Lee As I’m sure everyone has noticed by now, there have been three attempts to set off car bombs in public areas in the UK, two in London and one at the airport in Glasgow….
July 2, 2007 at 9:26 pm
I think that certain cutlures and groups are more prone to different things. I say Latino youth are probe to gangs because of their clustering in the urban areas that have always produced gangs and the macho culture of the Latin male which goes back centuries along with the rugged jobs a lot of the men do in thier work that produce tough males. In NYC you will find Latino gangs going back to the early part of the 20th Century and the same in LA.
Fatima, there are Desi gangs but you will not likely see them holding any ground in New York or New Jersey where there are a lot of working-class Desis even though some are engaged in crime. The competition is too fierce and in America if you wanna be a player on the streets you have to bring it in a way I have not seen them capable of bringing it.
As an example of what I am talking about the economic factors in the Arab World and poverty are very similar to what you see in Latin America and yet there is a huge difference in the amout of crime in the societies. Why? Because of culture. The poverty factors for Bengalis are close to what you see in Sub-Saharan Africa are aboutt he same yet one has an HIV epidemic and one has HIV but it is not out of control and again this is due to culture.
Economics do not dictate everything, that is Marx not Muhmmad ( peace be upon him)
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July 3, 2007 at 12:30 am
Actually, economics and social structures play important roles in the spread of HIV, not solely culture. Part of the breakdown of traditional African cultures is due to collapse of communities. I’ve looked at early 20th century colonial documents in Nigeria where British officials noted the decay of moral order as a result of modern innocations such as trains, telegraph, and safer roads. Colonial officials that had served 10-20 years noted a remarkable increase in drinking, sexual promiscuity, and random violence in the urban centers. It is one of the reasons why anthropology developed in the early 20th century. British officials were interested in preserving cultures that were dissapearing, locating tribal chiefs and amirs, and maintaining social order. I don’t think there was ever a time in Africa where women’s promiscuity was acceptable. The other thing we have to keep in mind in the Middle East is that government don’t allow statistics on HIV infection. There is a common perception that HIV is an African disease, but so many people are experiencing the pandemic. I have heard that places like Lebanon are experiencing an increased rate of HIV infection due to the importation of Ukrainian prostitutes. The Ukraine has the highest HIV transmission rate in the world, btw. India has about 1/8 people with HIV, indicating that the pandemic is in the South Asian continent.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/356/11/1089
I factor in culture and material factors in my analysis of any phenomena. But I have an issue with blaming culture for everything. There have been studies on the spread of HIV in Africa and they have shown that the spread has followed trucking routes and immigrant labor and risky sexual behavior. These studied indicate that the spread of HIV is related to displacement and the fact that women in migrant towns have only one economic niche–prostitution.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070213173927.htm
Say if 2 out of 10 migrant laborers who see 1 HIV infected prostitute contract it, they can pass HIV to their wives and children. If those men have 3 children each, that means that 8 people have contracted the disease from one person who was infected. Many women contract HIV from their husbands. And children contract HIV from their mothers either in the womb or through breast feeding. Unfortunately, machismo culture condones men’s promiscuity while victimizing the wives and children who are most susceptible to infection.
July 3, 2007 at 12:39 am
Moslem terrorism is linked to White terrorism.
July 3, 2007 at 1:22 am
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July 3, 2007 at 2:20 am
Very naive of you all, Westernized Muslims, to believe the media of the kuffar with every bit of news they throw at you!!!
Allah commands you to verify any news brought to you by a FASIQ MUSLIM, but you chose the other way around, to believe original kafirs’ news and do so without even verifying (or having the means to do that):
{O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient [Arabic: fasiq] one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful} (49:6).
All those of you who pick up the news blindly and spread it around as facts..are naive, idiots, and extremely gullible!
And just like you accuse these jihadists of ignorance about Islam, you are also ignorants about the enemies of Islam, and it is through the ranks of your likes that Islam was corrupted throughout the centuries, in thought and practice, until we reach the low pit we’re in now. Both you and the jihadists are defaming and corrupting Islam!
July 3, 2007 at 2:30 am
Hariri: Both you and the jihadists are defaming and corrupting Islam!
So what side are you in Hariri? oh let me guess the rightous side, the middle way,.. siratul mastaqueen…
Its been verified by both non-Muslim and Muslims.
July 3, 2007 at 4:38 am
I am under no obligation to answer whatever questions by anyone.
I don’t know which “Muslims” verified the news. The allies (puppets) of the Western superpowers? Those whose interests lie in defaming and defeating those who want to establish an Islamic state (the caliphate, which is a religious obligation)? Give me a break, please!
{O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you -then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people} (5:51)
Allah, who created mankind, and what they do, defines one according to his loyalty: if he’s loyal to the interests of Islam and Muslims (as understood and applied by the Prophet and the as-Salaf as-Saleh) then he is of the Muslims, but if he’s loyal to securing Western interests and Western hegemony over the occupied Muslim world, then he’s a Westerner, a foreigner, an agent, an apostate (murtad), even if he spoke Arabic and prayed among the Muslims in their mosques, and fighting his likes, according to a fiqh (so advanced for most of you, and probably untranslated yet) you’re oblivious of, he is to be fought first and before the Western invaders.
All the na’eem the West is enjoying is largely due to the ongoing looting of the Muslim lands’ riches. We have the right to free our countries from the Westernized Arab agents (leaders) and their masters by all means necessary and outlined in the Quran, Sunnah, and the fiqh of those established in knowledge from among this ummah (and who usually rely on the works of the classical scholars in deducing and devising new methods of resistance, but you don’t know; all you know is what the kuffar allow you to know).
Just like America fights for its interests and considers it right to secure the flow of Arab oil of African oil or Asian oil, we have the right to seize control of our riches, our strategic location in the heart of the world, and to fight by all means in order to realize that.
I don’t think what jihadists do will free our countries; the peoples will have to rise up and topple the regimes, but the people are busy running after their bread or watching music channels that the Saudi petrodollars are launching to keep the ummah down, to keep the Saudi royals and the rest of the Arab and Muslim puppets continue looting our lands, with the support of the colonial Western powers.
They threw every promising Arab or Muslim leader in prision. Even if he were a journalist whose jealousy and zeal for Islam would seep through the lines of his televised reports, like Aljazeera’s Taysir Alluni, they would shamelessly accuse him of things and toss him behind the sun, like they threw Alluni in a ‘house arrest’ after years of prision in Spain.
And while they’re at it, we get idiots like you to aid them in their plot to make the Muslims kneel and be subdued. But wallahi they will fail, and you along with them.
Inshallah when America and the Wesk launch their ‘inquisitions’ and force you to leave or convert back to your original faiths, if I could know each one of you in person and you wanted to flee your Western allies’ persecution to the haven the Islamic caliphate will be, I will not allow you refuge for you are all traitors of Islam. And we have hadiths about what will befall the ‘expatriate Muslims’ one day near the End Times who are living among the kafirs and don’t want to leave back to their ‘fobbish lands’ or after converting (like most of you, as you continue to have the same akhlaq from the times of your jahiliyyah).
I may be living among them now, but this is only temporary, and I know what I’m doing. They didn’t open the gates for us and others because they love immigrants, but becaue they screwed each other in two world wars, and lost 20+ millions of Europeans, and then because of the lack of ‘barakah’ in their economies and their crooked lifestyle (taxing people left and right, low birthrates, rampant homosexuality, suicide, the large number of bastards, crimes) they can’t guarantee economic growth (and they are heading toward a ‘deadend’, with or without the immigrants, so you’re all living in a DOOMED part of the world because it is essentially kafir), so they welcome immigrants in a desperate attempt to secure their place as economic giants. They plotted against the Muslim world, and they planned, but Allah is the best of planners: now we are millions in their midst, hundreds of thousands of their own ‘few’ sons and daughters are converting to the religion of the people they fought and killed for the last many centuries since al-Andalus, and sooner or later, one bought church after another, they will slowly but steadily succumb to Islam (another Eastern religion that emerged from the Arab -”Semitic”- world), and like Berard Shaw himself foretold, Europe and the West will eventually be Muslim, no matter what they do. They tried to convert us to their ways, uproot Arabic or Arabic script from our countries, but now it’s invading their own homes. And he laughs most who laughs last. We have the long breath, they don’t. It’s a losing battle for them, and their sick lifestyle you all here are so fond of.
Let that fake female caller to Islam (Bint Will) drool in the next few years over Taliban-like men, and let Umar Lee find no Peuro-Rican girls with unveiled faces to drool over and wish for a mosque so full of them, and let Abu Sinan say he hates me for Allah’s sake becaues I want to see the world GREEN and Muslims close together and working for Islam (not the Pentagon like him, or the Saudi apostates like his father-in-law).
May you traitors and Muslim idiots never find a Muslim haven when you most need it. May you be left alone for your Western masters, physically captivated, like you are now mentally and emotionally capitvated by their world and lifestyle.
May the fake Islam you embrace be uprooted from this part of the world and never be allowed to spread. A ‘buddhist’ Islam, like the Majoosi Islam of Iran, two horns in one devil’s head.
July 3, 2007 at 5:08 am
So Hussam, know of any good movies?
July 3, 2007 at 5:09 am
Doom!Doom!Doom!
July 3, 2007 at 5:57 am
I think this has to do with as Bang Gully pointed out a different type of immigration history in the US vs. UK. In the US was in the 70s and 80s the “brain drain” doctors, engineers etc. while in Britain it was rural and urban poor etc. people who don’t know how to work the system to get rich, don’t have a history of education in their families so are more likely to have scholastic failure, more prone to all the other stuff, gangs, drug, etc.
BTW some of the ways S. Asian gangsters will F-U up in their own country: cut off your nose, use the “mirchi danda” (red chili pepper baton) on you—you can use your imagination to guess how, kill your whole family in a drive by. This kind of stuff comes in the papers all the time. And Latin@ Americans are many things, hardly just naturally prone to joining gangs. Really didn’t like that statement.
July 3, 2007 at 6:33 am
Yeah, Millie, the movie ‘Airhead’ starring you.
July 3, 2007 at 8:18 am
Regrettably, most of the ummah is made up now of reduced self-centered animals who look for and taking pride in only one achievement: being married. Like the specimen Millie above, she sounded like one of those silly girls who frantically look for grooms in the Islamic conferences, so they throw the economic burden on him and sit home to continue watching movies at the poor guys’ expense, while bringing kids to this world who are to grow only sicker and more stupid than her.
The Arab poet said long time ago:
The mother is a school
Whom if you prepare well
You (will) raise a well-mannered generation.
But look at the example of this one “mother” here. I talk politics and deen, I talk walaa’ and baraa’, and she crosses her eyers, sticks out her tongue at me, and tells me: “anything fun lately?”
Yeah, selfish, arrogant heap of crap! Check out what happens to the Muslim world, I’m sure it’s on Comedy Now, you can flip to that channel from the comfort of your home with your kids and husband, and don’t you dare worry the least bit!
May Allah destroy all Western Muslims like you.
July 3, 2007 at 12:03 pm
May Allah destroy all Western Muslims like you. (???) This from a muslim? How lamentable. The sunnah of Muhammad was neither insulting nor oppressive, yet people find it very easy to justify such behaviour as Islamic? I assert categorically that it isn’t and question the motives of those who insist on that type of behaviour or use it in their dialogue about “deen”. I can assure all reading Islam wasn not spread by such character, and it’s display by those who call themselves Muslim is as much apart of our condition on the world stage as anything non-Muslims have done to us, wallah a3lam.
July 3, 2007 at 12:16 pm
The Day of Wrath:
http://www.islaam.com/books/0_preface.htm
May the Westernized, brainwashed, traitors of Islam be included.
July 3, 2007 at 12:53 pm
assalamu alikeum
I don’t agree with Hussam’s reponses towards individuals here or his cursing towards some folk, but the bulk of his argument is true.
I think we need to be careful as muslims on what we hear and see and not to take things face value, especially when its coming from media and non muslim sources because lets be honest, whos interests are being served?
I’m not naive to say that muslims are perfect and there arent a few bros who are a little loose in the head to say the least but they’re few and far between and most of them come from the same few groups.
Alot of the so called plots which have been foiled over the last few years, i’d say about 90-95% of the people who were publically named and shamed in the media, said to be all involved in wickedly plots to blow up britian were all found to be innocent, little circumstantial, if any evidence were used and jugdes threw cases out because the charges trumped up by police were wishy washy at best.
What they all have in common is that none of this was reported by the media. Some of the most high profile cases that many muslims and non muslims use as proof of attacks are actually non existant.
More recent example:
Eg. the plot to kidnap and kill a muslim solider in birmingham. Most of the brothers were relased (im not sure if anyone has even been charged for it). Infact many of those who had been held for that so called crime, when police took them in, they were told that it was regarding car offences and other really minor and mundane stuff. Gareth Piece (top lawyer in U.K who represents alot of men who are embrolled in terrorism charges or held for connection with such thing) she realeved this when she was questioned.
Also you have the bottle bomb plot (last summer). A few guys have been charged and its been about a year and still theres no court case (why taking so long? are they taking so long to find/make up so called evidence that doesnt exist?) Anyhow, most of them were relased and had nothing to do with this or any knowlegde of such a thing taking place.
These are just two but there were a few more recent ones i had in mind but forgetten. Point is, all people who were innocent were said to be ‘dangerous, murderous etc…’ in the media, they’re addresses were spilled across the front pages, their faces too and there must be what 3 people only being held for this ‘crime’ (innocent until proven guilty, remember that folks) and 30 people were pubically humaliated.
Again, did the media report that these people were innocent? No. Was there relase reported? No (the odd paper mentioned it in like tiny news brief, small box, corner of the page 18 or something) but yet most people will remember these cases because they were so high profiled and their faces and names will be remembered. Dont matter if they’re good people, innocent people. They’ll suffer as a result and on the grounds of being a muslim.
If these doctors are all relased tomorrow, you wont hear about it and if you do, it’ll be for about 3 seconds of airplay. But when somone wants a point to prove about muslim, they’re bring it up thats for sure as an example.
Today its Dr blach blah blah, tomorrow its you and your family. And dont think it cant and wont be, because the way things are headed, Unless you lick ass and conform mentally, physically and spritually, you are suspectiable and you will be targeted eventually. It maybe doom and gloom, but its a reality and our prophet s.a.w warned us that the time will come when we will attacked at every corner and and allah s.w.t tells us in the quran that they will never be happy with us until we give up our deen. Lets be honest, thats what it all boils down to at the end of the day.
The media is nothing more than a proganda machine so anything that comes out of their mouth, about 95% is to be taken with a pince of salt.
July 3, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Hassam you use a lot of big words , what an angry boy you are, go home .
July 3, 2007 at 2:00 pm
If you are Muslim, then your home is also my home, you idiot. And if you’re not Muslim, my home your people have messed up in purpose so that the West may be the center of the universe forever.
You don’t tell us to go home while you’re causing all kinds of sh!t to my homeland. And it’s up to us to leave your lands which we invaded peacefully (while you continue to invade ours with massive troops, warplanes and warships).
July 3, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Brother Hussam-I understand your anger. However, you need to check the countries that Muslims come from before you denounce the “West.” In Bangladesh, in elite circles, wife swapping is common. Our sultans, our caliphs had harems of a thousand women back in the 800s, 900s, etc. In America, I don’t have to bribe anybody. In many Muslim countries you do. Also you are denying Islam to Allah’s creation. Allah created the peoples of the West and they will become very good Muslims for the most part Inshallah.
July 3, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Oh, Umar is censoring me now???? :)
July 3, 2007 at 2:22 pm
I don’t know what wife swapping has to do with Islam here!!! There is no Islamic text sanctioning wife swapping, only in Shi’ism it exists and among pre-Islamic Arabs!! Meanwhile, check the blog ‘White Watch’ and see where the West is heading toward: legalizing incest!!
The largely illiterate, uneducated, poor masses of countries like Bangladesh, or even the supposedly rich Saudis, are absolutely not a proof against our fair case as a Muslim world occupied and being looted in the most massive, ongoing theft in human history!!! And what’s with this number of harems here now??? That’s a whole different topic!!!
There is bribery there because there is poverty there and lack of Islamic knowledge, both I have to blame the regimes for, which are all supported by the Western powers. They are in a dilemma today, as they believe poverty is the seed for Islamic radicalism! Yet if they allow us to flourish as societies, we’ll compete with them and eventually win (as we have all the resources, human and natural, if only we had first the political will they fought Saddam to give up until they finally executed him).
I don’t approve of bribery, and I don’t think you mean bribing rich people (for rich people are corrupt throughout the centuries, most of them, Muslims no exception), and I think in a time when there is no zakaat system to support the needy and the poor, if some of them get so desperate so as to ask you for bribery (in whatever name they call it in their local language there, be it Ikramiyyah in Syria or Qhaywah in Morocco), count it as a sadaqah and pray for them that Allah makes it easier for them in countries with economies that were butchered deliberately by the enemies of Arabs and Muslims.
I know better than to deny Islam on any of Allah’s creation. I clearly wasn’t the guy here or in Nelson’s blog who said: Arabs and Desis don’t deserve Islam, and I don’t believe I said anything about that means that! I know that one’s heart is between two fingers of Allah’s, if He wishes to turn me into a kafir more kafir than Bush, He can, and make Bush more of Muslim than I am now. I know better than to prevent or pray that Allah’s mercy not descend on people, but the arrogant kafirs may Allah cast them in Hell forever for what they do to Allah’s people and on Allah’s land.
July 3, 2007 at 2:26 pm
in a famous hadith, the Prophet’s wife Aysha said: “O Messenger of Allah, will we [mankind] be destroyed even if there were among those those who are righteous?” To which he (pbuh) said: “yes, if wickedness prevails.”
July 3, 2007 at 2:30 pm
correction:
“..even if there were among [us]* those who..”
July 3, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Hussam, stop living in the West leeching off of welfare and get a job you inbred.
July 3, 2007 at 7:56 pm
“I may be living among them now, but this is only temporary, and I know what I’m doing”
Hmm yea ok…
Why do people get upset over the way that the media portrays muslims? We live in Western Countries. We have western media. Hello? It seems to me that you have to expect that the media will be suspect at times with their news.
I could never get with the ihaadi view and that was before 9-11. I remember seeing the spittle flying from their mouths and their deep distaste for anyone t hat was not in agreement with them. They scared me and as soon as I saw anything in anyone that looked ihadi..i would run a mile away.
See muslims like Hussam you have to pity. At the end of the day he bends and twists verses of the Quraan, abuses muslims who do not agree with him and comes off like a raging lunatic..so whatever “message” he thinks he is giving is lost in translation.
Dont expect civil rights when we are living in times where xenophobia is growing at an alarming level.I watched a report on Nightline last night where the reporter went to Brick Lane in London to get reactions from the muslims. You had the obligatory crazy muslim who blamed everything on the jews, USA and evil. Some things the muslims bring on themselves.
Allah will NOT help a people until they change themselves.
Muslims dont like to hear that. They like to play the role of the oppressed peoples all the time but some of what we reap comes from what we sow.
Those ihadis dont represent the mainstream and theres more ways to be heard then burning yourself.
July 3, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Umar, you might want to check this out
http://foehammer.net/2007/07/how-to-peacefully-remove-muslims-from-your-own-neighborhood.html
July 3, 2007 at 10:37 pm
It kind of reminds me of a quote from Chris Rock, “O.D.B. couldn’t have possibly committed all those crimes. Coolio did some of that sh*t.” Muslims may have not done all of these things but somebody did. It is not just about circling our wagons and acting like people in our community aren’t capable of atrocities. We should condemn terrorism no matter who the perpetrators are. While I take all media with a grain of salt, we can’t bury our heads in the sand. The fact is that there still are some Muslims who have resorted to terrorism and some Muslim leaders (however small their following) who have condoned terrorist tactics. I can’t buy into some grand conspiracy that blames all non-Muslims for atrocities especially when you look at the last decade of terrorism and read some the leaders’ statements.
July 3, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Danial, your link is to an extremist white hate site. An American conservative once said “they are over here because we are over there.” It is no surprise that the culprits hail from countries suffering from white terrorism. Every action has a reation.
July 4, 2007 at 4:03 am
It is relieving to read that the political opinions of the Muslims is not as monolithic as the six o’clock would have you believe. It seems the days of a prefabricated set of “Islamic” political beliefs is waning - or at least I hope so.
July 4, 2007 at 5:09 am
“D”:
I’m not your father (or you perhaps). I’m young, Western-educated, and we were allowed entry to this country on a ‘business VISA’, meaning we had enough money to invest and employ others, fool. We don’t need your money, your countries are who need(ed) ours.
“Myopic..”:
Maybe you want to prove to us your level of 3ilm and show me where I twisted and bent the Quranic verses? I pity those like you, who converted yesterday and think they can lecture on how to have adab with the Word of Allah and have amaanah in translating it or citing it!!! It is us born-Muslims, immigrant Muslims, who taught you everything, and who will continue to correct you, not the other way around. Never. Why? Because you people are lazy, you read fwe books then sat on them. How many of you know enough Arabic now to open those books and try to show us where we’re wrong without resorting to your funny English ways of expression you resort to as your strongest way of refuting: “whatever!”, “hmm, yeah, ok!”…”DO’H”!! What a cartoonish culture, cartoonish brains!
I don’t carry a message to your likes, folks, for you are going to remain where you are for the rest of your lives. Had there been any good in you, you wouldn’t be here feeding off of the poisonous plate served to you by the Zionist media.
I will stop here, as me actually wasting time here on you, folks, is a favour you don’t deserve.
July 4, 2007 at 7:09 am
“I’m not your father (or you perhaps). I’m young, Western-educated, and we were allowed entry to this country on a ‘business VISA’, meaning we had enough money to invest and employ others, fool. We don’t need your money, your countries are who need(ed) ours”
I’m sure Pakistan needs more Wahhabified Arabs like you infesting their country with filthy Wahhabi ideals, right?
July 4, 2007 at 11:37 am
Wahhabis are the crown on every true Muslim’s head, you fool.
Meanwhile, your likes are the shoes in every real kafir’s feet.
July 4, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Apparently many of you brothers and sisters have forgotten about “al-walaa wal-baraa,” and are trying to please the kuffar.
How can any of you “Muslims” condemn these latest operations done by the Muslim brothers, or any so-called “terror” operations done by Muslims, as the UK and other kaafir nations are considered Dar al-Harb? Do the mujahedeen not have a right to do what they are doing? Indeed, Allah tells us to terrorize the kuffar.
The real shuyukh, as opposed to the tawghout, puppet, “shuyukh,” don’t condemn these mujahedeen or say that any of these operations are haraam in any way. Are the hypocrites going to deny what Allah says in the Qur’an?
[008:060] And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.
[016:126] And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allah), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.).
[042:041] And indeed whosoever takes revenge after he has suffered wrong, for such there is no way (of blame) against them. [042:042] The way (of blame) is only against those who oppress men and wrongly rebel in the earth, for such there will be a painful torment.
[003:140] If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that Allah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allah likes not the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).
[009:029] Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
[002:193] And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimoon (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
July 4, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Hussam–I know you enoy this back and forth debate. If you didnt youda stopped as soon as you finished typing your opinion but Im going to humor you.
First of all I dont have to prove anything to you about my level of 3lm..I could be a goatherder in the valleys of Jordan for all you know..but even a goatherder understands islamic concepts…”Speak Good Or Keep Silent” and if thats too hard for you(after all it is islam) how about this one which is from the streets of London”Speak what you know NOT what you think you know!”
I suggest rather than try to forcefeed your views on those who view you as a crackpot..you climb up a mountain and think about that one hadeeth that I just wrote. I think it would be a lot better for you. I know it would be better for me.
Adab with the word of ALlah? Those first Sahabas were reverts to Islam. I think Im in pretty good company. To be like Umar(RAA) and Uthmaan and Aaishah(Raa)..those who came from a jahiliyah and embraced Islam when faced with the haqq. Yup. AInt no shame in being a revert to Islam. Do you pity those Salaf? or do you “twist and distort” the way that they accepted Al Islam?
My “Hmm yea ok”.was supposed to be cartoonish. One lesson I learned as a muslim and a human being is you have to speak to people on their various intelligence levels. If you felt that you were receiving cartoonish responses then ask yourself…what kind of image do you project…because what I see in my cartoon mind is you with straggly hair and an unkempt lihyah…foaming at the mouth and listening to radical Islamic ideologies. The kind of cartoon character who calls UBL “Shaykh”, the kind of cartoon character who celebrated when the twin towers fell. Have I got that right? If you want a more visual example…go to Canal Street and ask one of those old chinamen to draw you.
Im so glad you wont try to deliever your message to me and my ilk. Alhamdulillah! Allahu Akbar(and Im making sajdah right now for shukr) because I dont want YOU representing, advising, teaching, or doing anything that could affect one atom of who I am as a muslimah. Alhamdulillah for small mercies!
July 4, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Ps. Al Walaa’ Wa Al Baraa’.
Of course We love for the sake of ALlah and Hate for the sake of Allah.
But bring Me ONE hadeeth that says drive into an airport and set yourself on fire. You cant do it.Show me one that says fly into buildings and kill yourselves.
Theres a hadeeth about suicide. Its where the prophet is on the battlefiend and he says look at that man ..he is a person of Jahannam and the sahabiya look amazed because they see the man fighting with valor. Well that man is inured and is about to die. Rather than WAIT for his honorable death..he takes the sword and plunges it into his body and thus commits suicide and The Prophet Spoke the Truth!
Suicide is your ticket to Jahannam!
When you “punish” the kuffar with these atrocities..you forget that you “punish” the innocent muslims also..because you kill muslims who have nothing to do with your walaa and baraa.
And then you complain when the kuffar do the same thing? At least you expect the kuffar to not care about collateral damage..but the muslims ? Come on? Like the Prophet said the muslims will become so smiliar to the non muslims we will follow them into lizard holes(My words)How? By mimiking their ways and deeds.
Again ALlah will not change a people until they change themselves.
If Allah wanted the muslims to rule the waves…we would be ruling but the muslim world at large is on so much shirk and bida..how in the world can we succeed??
Stop trying to put the cart before the horse.
July 4, 2007 at 6:46 pm
This thread is a great illustration of the issues within the muslim community.
July 4, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Hussam and Hatetaghout you both need to check your holier than though self righteous attitude. By the way you talk it sounds like you are children. Abusing and making takfeer of Muslims is the exact oppossite of wala. I think Umar hurt your little feelings by calling out the loonies that you follow such as Faisal and so forth. These people dont repersent Islam.
Myopic you are on point. This group espouse neo-Khwaraji views and dont deserve your time. The Sharia’ has a way to deal with those who go to any extreme whether to the left or the right.
Umar, I think you are wrong about the Desis in UK, they are a tough nosed bunch who fought the skinheads and nazis fags back in the 80’s. I’ve lived with a few and had the pleasure of having a few as friends. Check out the youtube special on gangs in London with Robert Kemp it deals with ruthless S.E. Asian gangs and surprisingly a Muslim gang that killed a boy in a ruthless manner for not becoming Muslim.
Generally you are right about Desis here in the US, but as BangGully pointed out its more complex than that. Here in the Chi, you have working class Desis on Devon who could chin check any fool black, white or whatever who wants to throw down. Desis usually join more established gangs here rather than create their own. As those I grew up with have become Kings, Vice lords, and Blackstones. There is now a force that is more Islamic and doesnt want any of this gang shit and I hope to see that more established with the youth.
Salaam.
July 4, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Anonymous “hatetawghout” also posted on Muslim Matters under another anonymous user name “RealMuslim”.
Sh. Yasir Qadhi replied with a response that this coward is bound to remember:
Sh. Yasir responds to “jihadists”
July 5, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Hussam,
My father in law is dead, may Allah rest his soul. Your Islam allows you to insult and pronounce takfir on the dead?
Care to provide a hadith that that shows us that the Prophet was into insulting dead people?
Your behavior is so far away from the Sunnah as to be unrecognisable.
July 5, 2007 at 7:19 pm
AGAIN you make unqualified, unsubstantiated assumptions about Desis. As some of the posters above have noted, contrary to your assertion that Desis are “not prone to organized criminality in a way that many from Latin America are” (and I think that Latinos are entitled to be offended by that statement), there is no shortage of organized criminal activity amongst Desis in the UK. Also, since you’re not Desi and are admittedly unfamiliar with the British Muslim community, you shouldn’t make blanket assertions such as your claim that Desi gangs wouldn’t be capable of “bringing it” on the streets of New York or New Jersey.
You often seem to go out of your way to make belittling, condescending remarks about Desis. Why is that?
July 5, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Sabir, I think Umar’s take of desis stems from a dislike of immigrants with upward mobility. I’m all for constructive critique(especially of snooty, bollywood boytoy culture), but have noticed this negative trend in Umar’s writing. Perhaps desis and Arabs aren’t “macho” enough in the eyes of some, but most will make it to their 25th birthday with an education, instead of “keeping it real” in the hood.
Its also disturbing that zionist hate mongering is sanitized by Umar, claiming that rat holes like LGF are merely “white supremascists” despite the evident support for Israeli terrorism.
July 5, 2007 at 11:23 pm
I can’t believe that No one was able to answer Husssam and hatetawghout. hatetawghout has presented verses from the Quran that I believe if they’re true, that would make Islam a violent religion and not so “peaceful”. God bless America then. I don’t feel so bad anymore when Bush is killing Jihadis.
July 6, 2007 at 12:03 am
You must be blind as a bat in hell, “non-Muslim” or you’re another typical zionazi feigning outrage. I’m glad to you support Bush the war criminal, and refer all his victims as “jihadis,” and not the hapless innocent civilians( over 650000 of them in Iraq alone) who comprise the majority of the dead.
Slither back to LGF, vermin.
July 6, 2007 at 12:24 am
Non-Muslim,
Try this on for size (warning: PDF).
July 6, 2007 at 3:50 am
Hussam sounds like an angry hormonal teenager.
July 6, 2007 at 4:02 am
Non-Muslim: I actually responded to HH however, upon nearing completion of my post I clicked slightly off target and erased what I had just typed. I suppose I give up too easily, although to be honest, am relieved that I was prevented from entering the Pandora’s Box of blog polemics. True to stereotype, Hussam Harriri is most likely much more soft spoken in real-non-internet life.
July 6, 2007 at 3:35 pm
DrM, the 650000 people that died in Iraq didn’t die because of Bush and the American army. they died because of the civil war going on between the Shiites and the Sunnies. if those two sects would get over something that happened over 1000 years ago, eveything would have been fine and that number of deaths would have been significantly less. Why is it the Americans’ fault if these two sects are killing each other like animals. Don’t blame America for it, rather you should blame the silence and the non- existent efforts of the Arabs and the Muslim world that basically don’t do anything to stop this civil war. Nothing like that is happening in Afganistan, and the result is that eveybody is living in peace. Occassionally, the American army is attacked by the Taliban, but other than that, there is a beautiful peace over there. If you’re going to blame somebody for the 650000 deaths in Iraq, then blame yourself and evey Muslim for not standing up and saying something to end the sectarian violence that is happening between Muslims. Why don’t some Islamic scholars from Iran and Saudi Arabia get together to end this conflict, or try to do something that shows harmony among the two sects so they can stop fighting. That’s what caused all these deaths. If there is anybody is that’s actually doing anything about it, then it’s Bush. Bush is the one that is defying all interests and all opposition against him to pull the troops out of Iraq. Instead, he sends more troops to pacify the situation and end this sectarian violence. this is happening under the watch of all Muslim nations, but All we get from them are complains about the amount of deaths and other non sense. Only if they cared, they would help us end this conflict between the two sects and eveyone will enjoy living in peace then.
July 6, 2007 at 4:21 pm
“Non-Muslim” aka Danial, the first sentence of your sad excuse for a rant proves what an utter and irredeemable disgrace and hypocrite you are. Odd that the Iraqis weren’t “killing each like animals” before benevolent Uncle Sam showed up. There has never been a history of civil war in Iraq. The rest of your Anti-Muslim propaganda is laughable, if not a reflection of the crappy websites you spend your time on. Obviously you are a disingenuous war monger. The deaths of over 650000 Iraqis is a direct result of the Anglo-American invasion, only neocon bastards like you insist on passing the buck onto the Iraqis. I’m sure the Lancet Journal of Medicine and the John Hopkins school of Epidemiology are making it all up and in cohoots with terrorists, or so judeofascists would have us believe. The animals are the one who invaded Iraq over a lie. The animals are the ones who starved the people of that country for a dozen years with sanctions that resulted in the deaths over a 1 million people, half of them children. The Americans invade, arm both sides and theres a “civil war” underway. “Sectarian stryfe” indeed. We’ve all heard the excuses before, the same old lies and misinformation, you’re done. Slither back to LGF, vermin.
July 6, 2007 at 5:57 pm
DrM, the e-jihadi keyboard warrior. You make me laugh, just like the LGF retards. You’re obviously no different from them.
I’ve seen you post on altmuslim and you’re as much of a joke on there as you are on here.
I bet you’re living in the West, living off of the fat of the land while biting the hands that feed you. You only care when non-Muslims are killing Muslims, but when Muslims are killing Muslims, you, like every other Muslim, stay remarkably silent.
On another note, why aren’t you fleeing in a burqa like your hero maulana was exposed doing in Islamabad lately?
You’re nothing but a failed abortion. Might want to consider ending yourself, for you’re nothing but a cancer to society.
July 6, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Danial, the online e-crusader coward who lives at home living of mommy’s welfare check. A typical judeo-christofascist chicken hawk who uses multiple aliases in an effort to seek attention. Is there a school that coaches you on how to berate and lie in unison so that after a while it just seems like the truth?
So Schlomo/BillyBob, why aren’t you in Iraq fighting the losing fight? Sorry junior, I don’t “live” off anybody, I’m not a jewish welfare queen or an inbred hillbilly butter hog who copulates with his next of kin in the back of a broken down pickup truck. Ironic how the usual suspects talk of bringing “freedom” to the brown and black masses of the world at the point of a gun yet seek to silence any opinion counter to their own, especially in regards to a terrorist war they started. Typical of the failed hateful breed.
I suppose I should have some sympathy for your handicap. You’re obviously paralyzed from the neck up.
July 6, 2007 at 7:43 pm
DrM, I am not daniel. I am somebody else. I didn’t think saying “killing each other like animals” would spark you on an insult spree, and I appologize if that really hurt your feelings. You are right, there was no civil war before America came at least in the form of the civil war that is happening now, but Saddam had killed just as many people as the 650000 you’re complaining about. Most of these people were Shiites and kurds, so I could argue that it was still someone from a sect killing other sects. That happened under the watch of all muslim nations. No Muslim nation said a word against it. America had done the Iraqis a favor by taking Saddam out, instead of being thankful they fight with each other yet again, and Yes they do kill each other without any sympathy to say the least. They walk into a market on a suicide mission killing whatever they can. How do you blame America for that!!? As for the sanctions against Iraq, we all know why these sanctions took place, so there is no need to discuss that. If you’re going to blame somebody for it, then you can blame the whole world because the whole world participated in it. I personally blame Saddam for it. His dump actions is what had led to the sanctions.
It’s funny how you guys start insulting the Jews and Chrisitians right away. what does that have to do with Iraq? It’s funny how you say my arguement is laughable without saying why it is laughable. It’s true. Shiites and Sunnies has never gotten along since the Prophet died. Why do you think the Muslims changed the capital from Damascus to Bagdad back in the days after a bloody war? If you watch the Shiites strikes in the streets these days, they still lift signs saying “we’re going to revenge”. It’s a fact that they still can’t get over the fact the Sunnies killed Ali Bin Abe Talib, his two sons, and walked his daughter Zaineb nude in the streets of Damascus. Don’t say this is laughable when you know it’s true. This conflict is not likely to end any time soon, and it’s the main cause of the 650000 Iraqi deaths.
July 6, 2007 at 7:45 pm
DrM, I am not daniel. I am somebody else. I didn’t think saying “killing each other like animals” would spark you on an insult spree, and I appologize if that really hurt your feelings. You are right, there was no civil war before America came at least in the form of the civil war that is happening now, but Saddam had killed just as many people as the 650000 you’re complaining about. Most of these people were Shiites and kurds, so I could argue that it was still someone from a sect killing other sects. That happened under the watch of all muslim nations. No Muslim nation said a word against it. America had done the Iraqis a favor by taking Saddam out, instead of being thankful they fight with each other yet again, and Yes they do kill each other without any sympathy to say the least. They walk into a market on a suicide mission killing whatever they can. How do you blame America for that!!? As for the sanctions against Iraq, we all know why these sanctions took place, so there is no need to discuss that. If you’re going to blame somebody for it, then you can blame the whole world because the whole world participated in it. I personally blame Saddam for it. His dump actions is what had led to the sanctions.
It’s funny how you guys start insulting the Jews and Chrisitians right away. what does that have to do with Iraq? It’s funny how you say my arguement is laughable without saying why it is laughable. It’s true. Shiites and Sunnies has never gotten along since the Prophet died. Why do you think the Muslims changed the capital from Damascus to Bagdad back in the days after a bloody war? If you watch the Shiites strikes in the streets these days, they still lift signs saying “we’re going to revenge”. It’s a fact that they still can’t get over the fact the Sunnies killed Ali Bin Abe Talib, his two sons, and walked his daughter Zaineb nude in the streets of Damascus. Don’t say this is laughable when you know it’s true. This conflict is not likely to end any time soon, and it’s the main cause of the 650000 Iraqi deaths.
July 6, 2007 at 8:24 pm
As Salaamu Alaykum,
Indeed, i have to agree…
This guys talking about jihad and all that, but in reality this guys can kill even an fly, straight up!
I would like to see this guys surviving in the guettos of South America where more people die of guns shooting than in Iraq or Afheganistan, dont’t believe me, check for the facts!
There is one thing in U.K. you don’t see people giving dawah, expect Sunday at the Speakers Corner( famous place where you have all type of people exposing their views about the world).
You may gonna find it british muslims disagree with my statment, but the reality is most of this guys never left their own boring boroughs of this depressive country. Be muslim in U.K. is all about nationality and tradition…
The situation is so critical in this country especially when it comes about the mind state of brothers and sisters, it is ridicolous!!!
If anyone walk around in the so-called Great Britain and observe muslims you goin to see some of them wearing hijab wearing t-shirts of green day rock kufr’s band or in the style gothic or in vintage style a la Camden Town( a spot full of lunatics ).
This undertaking is not about dissing my brothers and sisters or to call attention but to point out that the british non-muslims hate the muslims, and this hate is related with behavioral problems.
Let’s not forget that U.K. is the highest rate of mental disorder in Europe!
Just Facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s make du’a 4 all muslims in the world insha’Allah.
Muhammad a.k.a. so-called pround converted
in other words in this country how they describe me ” jus an outsider,ahahahahhhh” Allah u Akbar!
July 6, 2007 at 8:31 pm
As Salaamu Alaykum,
I love brother Umar…
May Allah reward u ahkhi!
July 6, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Bismillaah Walhumdulillaah
Uss salawaatu wass salaam ‘alun nabeey.
The trouble with Umar is that he likes to talk talk talk about things he hardly knows about. That’s his hallmark.
Worse still he loves racially grouping people in a disrespectful manner - always using the term desi - which is the same as paki or nigger coming from a white man.
Everyone to Umar is a Desi, an immigrant, an arab…. its like talk radio - lots of bullshit excitement with no one getting closer to Allaah.
July 7, 2007 at 9:15 am
“Non-Muslim,” or whatever alias you’re using…you really should stick to LGF and other forums of like minded scum. Same old, tired, hackneyed response with the weak ahistorical talking points picked up from talk radio. It wasn’t martians with antenna protuding from their foreheads who launched the war against Iraq, it was judeo-christian fascist liars. These very same criminals armed and supported Saddam through his worst atrocities(far less then the 650000 you “liberators” have produced in last 4 years). Where were you then? Financing client regimes all over the place. You don’t get off that easily you lying neocon bastard. If gross ignorance was a capital offense, you’d be shot on the spot.
This is like those firemen who committed arson in hopes of being called to put out the fires, and become heroes. Heroism, first and foremost requires courage and honesty. You have neither attributes, and are in fact a lowly racist coward born. Crying crocadile tears for Iraqis one minute, and then calling them animals the next really does show how much of a disingenuous degenerate you truly are. You are a supporter of terrorism, no doubt about that. Remember, you reap what you sow, so don’t come in here yelping like some filthy frothy mouthed mongrel now that you’ve lost the war.
July 7, 2007 at 4:41 pm
DrM
May I ask who did this?
It wasn’t american troops, was it? Obviously the breakdown of law and order is america’s fault, but they didn’t do this, at least.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6279864.stm
Anyways, i’m curious what you guys think is gonna happen in Britain. I can’t imagine this kind of friction can continue for much longer without causing some serious social problems.
July 7, 2007 at 9:37 pm
DrM, Throwing insults does not help your case. It’s obvious to anyone reading your hate speech and insults against me that if you had an argument to make, you would respond with some degree of intelligence, not with hate speech against the “jedeo-christian” or whoever you think is responsible for the deaths of the Iraqis. I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say LGF because I have never been there if that’s a website or whatever. I don’t need to tell you who I am, but I am presenting you with facts and all I get from you is “you lying neocon bastard”. Again, we are not responsible for the Iraqi deaths. Muslims are responsible for it. Why is it only in Iraq and not in Afghanistan that people are fighting and killing each other? Stop throwing insults and answer me if you have an intelligent answer. Saddam for the record, is estimated to have caused approximately one million Iraqi deaths. I am not a supporter of Terrorism. You’re the one who is a Muslim, which automatically makes you a terror supporter. Go ahead and blow yourself up to go join your prophet in his whorehouse-like heavon.
July 7, 2007 at 11:27 pm
To Mr. N.M.
Ignorance in your small world must reign supreme, ahahahahah?????
Wake up man!!!
July 8, 2007 at 12:05 am
Robin,
maybe you can start your own PC blog on the website of Bill Moyers or something where you can interview the author of “The Quran Through Post Modern Eyes with a Tafseer by Noam Chomsky”, where you can talk about nothing because you are scared to offend anyone.
July 8, 2007 at 1:01 am
BoozedPengo, I see you’re as intoxicated as ever. Don’t post damage control nonsense. The breakdown of law and order was a direct result of the US invasion, the vast majority of deaths are to due “shock and awe” bombing and the destruction of what little infrastructure Iraq had left after 12 years of sanctions which killed over a million Iraqis. Don’t even get me started on DY poisoning. Your attempts to sanitize US terrorism reveal you for the disingenuous pro-war shill that you are.
“Non-Muslim,” I’m glad to see your full anti-Muslim colors have surfaced. Typical of the breed. Calling the victims of your war “animals” and then throwing hissy fit about “insults.” Your intent has always been to insult in each of your vomitious posts. Its accurate to say that all your lies can be sourced back to your rectum. You are a supporter of terrorism, torture and all the forms of criminality which are a hallmark of all those judeofascists who share your vile mindset. You have been proven wrong repeatedly yet carry on like a broken record in deep denial. I know how racist filth like you thinks NM, you’re a quick study and will never fight the wars you so eagerly support. I have news for you, the Rapture acid trip aint happening, atleast not at my expense, the black and brown masses of the world aren’t going to tolerate your “liberation.” Do something useful with yourself, like playing Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded. One less pro-terrorist to worry about. You will not be missed. At all.
July 8, 2007 at 5:03 am
DrM
Harsh. I’ll take this opportunity to note that i am not usually intoxicated, and wasn’t when i made that post. The name was meant to be comical more than anything else. It’s based on this image right here.
http://www.sublimearchive.com/images/rise%20above%20logo.jpg
Anyways, i’ll quote myself
Obviously the breakdown of law and order is america’s fault, but they didn’t do this, at least.
Like I said, the breakdown of law and order that allows these people to opperate is americas fault, but who set off the car bomb? I doubt it was American forces.
I don’t recall sanitizing anything. I do recall making an accurate statement however, noting that the break down of law and order is Americas fault, but that it was not Americans who planted this market place bomb.
July 8, 2007 at 5:23 am
DrM, you are one heck of a pathetic looser. You and all Muslims like you refuse to admit the true nature of the problem. You just blame all of your problems on America, the west and the jews. You have been talking so much trash about my breed and the whites and whatnot. Just to show you that you are a dump idiot, I will tell you that I am an Arab. I am not white you stupid MORON, and I don’t have any hatred for anybody whether it is Muslim, black, Christian, Jew..etc. there are bad people every where, and it doesn’t matter what ethnicity, religion, or color they possess. I have a good friend in every ethnicity and color. I don’t know what you’re talking about? You just got mad because I presented my opinion, and it happens that you don’t like it!! I am presenting you with facts not emotions. Everyday there are over a hundred deaths withing the Iraqis because of violence caused by the Muslims themselves and BoozedPengo presented you with an example of that, so what do you do? you go on insulting him and calling him names. This is called evidence, not emotions and rants. You are one of the dumpest Muslims I have come across to say the least. You don’t like the facts presented, so you start insulting people like the moron you are without presenting any logic. I am not surprised that you’re a Muslim because if you had a brain, you wouldn’t believe a destructive religion and a bunch of non-sense called Islam, and I am willing to debate you on it, but it’s probably just a waste of my time. What good is it if your mind is like a rock and all you can think of is the hatred your sheikh feeds you at the mosque. You are not solving the problem with your hate. You are creating more problems for you and for your Muslim “brothers”. Instead of being a hate monger, be a lover, and talk with maners. You are definitely not helping your cause. I wonder what Umar Lee think of your moronic statements.
July 8, 2007 at 8:44 am
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,
I tried commenting earlier in reply to the comment from “livingshaheed”, but I suspect my comment got deleted b/c of having too many links.
Regarding the “Muslim gang that killed a boy in a ruthless manner for not becoming Muslim”, he is probably talking about the so-called Muslim boys, who are not Muslims at all but an offshoot of an established Brixton gang, PDC (originally this stood for Pil Dem, i.e. rob them, Crew - these days it’s an entertainment business), and their religion is a home-made one using a bit of Islamic lingo. Local Muslims really want nothing to do with them. In fact, in one article I read in the Evening Standard, one of their thugs prevaricated when the interviewer asked him if he really believed in Islam, and the Brixton mosque complained of being intimidated by them into opening at unusual hours. However, the press have repeatedly bracketed them with al-Qa’ida terrorist types, when they are in totally different leagues. I’ve done several posts on them; see here.
July 9, 2007 at 8:32 am
BoozedPengo, reposting disingenous nonsense over and over again will not make it truthful. I don’t know where you get your information, but I’d say FOX news and the National Inquirer is a pretty good bet. The US is responsible for the destruction of Iraq, including flooding the country with Blackwater “contractors,” and arming and training other unscrupulous groups. The occupying power is held responsible for whatever happens under its watch. Which then raises strong suspicions every time bombs go off and innocent civilians are killed. Is it not rather peculiar that hitherto Shia-Sunni conflicts were only intermittent minor village clashes between a few individuals or groups, not even news worthy items. Previously certain acts were clearly taboo such as murdering of worshippers of any sect, or destruction of Mosques or mowing down attendees at funerals with machine guns. Who first initiated murdering people in Mosques: Americans.
As for the racist lowlife known as “Non-Muslim,” I see you’re now pretending to be an Arab. I have no reason to believe this convinient metamorphosis unless you’re a zionist Maronite reject with a political axe to grind with Islam. You’re probably an inbred hillbilly butterhog psyched that you got a 56k dial up connection in your trailer. Even more laughable is the claim that you’re not here to hate and disrespect people, anybody who has read your comments(especially against the Prophet(pbuh)) knows the opposite is the case, troll. You’ve presented no facts, just the extremist failed neocon narrative, which has been throughly refuted and rubished. Why should I respect a callous bastard like you who calls Iraqis “animals” and supports the terrorism committed against them? You’re a typical keyboard KKKommando who would be soiling his pants were you anywhere near the war you support so much. Hence, you are a terrorist, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Get back to me when you find those WMDs, vermin.
July 9, 2007 at 11:51 am
@ Non-Muslim,
“I can’t believe that No one was able to [correct]” your hurried reading of those verses cited by the guy HateTawagheet. You were either in a hurry when you read them, or you are a bloody fool. Either way, it necessitates my return.
And while I’m at it again, I’ll answer Gomez’s Bush-question: “are you with us or with the jihadists?”
Be back soon.
July 9, 2007 at 5:27 pm
DrM
I am familiar with the contractors. There’s a good movie about them on my blog, you might like it.
Second, the only information i posted was from the BBC, so address that, please.
Do you think American forces set that bomb off in that specific market place killing over 100 people? Again, the source is the BBC, i consider them to be relatively objective.
I already said America was responsible for the breakdown of law and order in Iraq. But they did not set off that specific bomb, int hat market place in northern Iraq that killed 100 people, mostly women and children.
In fact, i already noted that america was responsible for the breakdown of law and order twice. Why so fucking hostile? What did i do?
It’s the hostility i have trouble understanding. I don’t recall either being hostile or siding with “non-muslim”, and i wouldn’t, because he looks like an idiot to me.
All I did was post an article and make a statement regarding it that i consider to be truthful. American forces didn’t set off the bomb.
Now, if you wanna argue that the actions of the Islamic Army of Iraq, or whatever group set off the bomb is Americas responsibility because they created a power vacuumed in Iraq that is one thing. But you know American forces didn’t plant that bomb as well as i do.
But if you are interested in being hostile with strangers online because one troll shows up on this post spouting racist nonsense thats your business.
But i won’t have anything to do with it. I’m just gonna fuck right off, because aperantly disagreeing with you slates me for hostility.
Kiss my ass, i’m done with this shit. Try being civil next time, maybe, just maybe the discussion will actually go somewhere.
Fuck you too buddy.
July 9, 2007 at 5:56 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War#Formation_of_militias
Looks like pre-Iraq war sectarian violence to me.
The Shi’a militias were slow to form and join in the fighting. Initially, many Shi’a had been drawn to the Palestinian movement and the Lebanese Communist Party, but after 1970’s Black September, there was a sudden influx of armed Palestinians to the Shi’a areas. The Palestinian movement quickly squandered its influence with the Shi’a, as radical factions ruled by the gun in much of Shi’a-inhabited southern Lebanon, where the refugee camps happened to be concentrated, and the mainstream PLO proved either unwilling or unable to rein them in.
July 10, 2007 at 5:54 am
You’ve become tiresome, boozedpengo. Why so surprised that I’m “hostile” towards those who sanitize terrorism and blame the victims? That, and the presence of trolls who pretend to be experts on the Middle East and anything concerning Islam.
I’m not going to give you a crash course in epidemiology to explain the numbers to you, like I did for that zionist subhuman Jordan. The US didn’t merely cause a mere breakdown of law and order in Iraq, it destroyed civil society in that country through sanctions and limited scale bombing for 12 years, and then a full scale invasion, “shock and awe” style. Yet you harp on about some unknown group called the “Islamic army of Iraq” as being responsible for all the chaos there.
As far as the report about 10,000 plus civilians killed every month by American soldiers this is nothing new, it just becomes alarming for imbeciles who rest in the silence of corporate media. Just like they rest in the overplay of the “sectarian violence,” to distract from the murderous course of the foreign army who kills the majority. Reported by “journalists” that sit in the green zone. Imbeded imbeciles, complicit press corpse, and their vapid listeners.
Hows that for being civil.
July 10, 2007 at 7:25 am
Yeah DrM, like Jews aren’t used to be called “subhuman”.
I have to be honest, I really do feel pitty for you Dr. Maxtor. Never have I seen someone filled with such raw hate and anger. You are a professional and I am sure you take pride in your work (as you should). But your intense non-stop anger must make your life incredibly lonely.
You probably won’t believe me, but I trully hope you find love and compassion.