In light of the recent discussion on Muslim service in a kaafir army dedicated to killing Muslims and occupying Muslims lands I think that it would be fitting to start a counter-recruitment and education project at American masjids and college campuses to educate Muslims on why they should not join the military. This could be a good project for those MSA’s not controlled by progressive modernist forces or beholden to the “institute scholars” who are too busy cashing checks and enjoying this dunya to care about dead Muslims and occupied Muslim lands. Btw, I will ignore the ignorant and deviant supporters of Muslim service and the progressive modernist Zaytuna crowd; but one question I have for the Muslim Matters and Yasir Qadhi crowd.
Since you have found a new level of patriotic fervor regarding “our troops” and see yourselves as becoming as mainstream as baseball ( even though Im not sure if you know the difference between a ball and a strike), hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet, I have a few American questions for you.
1. The American government considers all Kashimir Mujahudeen groups to be terrorist. Do you share the opinion of your government? Will you be willing to join India, a true American partner in the war of terror, in fighting Muslim extremists?
2. The Taliban hosted Usama bin Laden before 9-11 while the attack was planned. Where you calling for the removal of the Taliban at the time?
Now, to Imam Zaid Shakir, you know I love you for the sake of Allah brother; but I just want to know when the Zaytuna crowd will leave the coffee shops, yoga clubs and beauty salons of Cali and volunteer for the Marine Corps? Obama is repealing “Dont Ask Dont Tell” so that should make it easier for some of your Bay Area students.
You see Muslims are talking about a love of the military and all of that but very few learned Muslims will ever join or even encourage others to do so.For surely, if they were so high on the service, they would offer military recruiterst the chance to sit next to the cash registers at their seminars and recruit young Muslims. What we are seeing today is a front being put on by Muslims in America for public consumption out of fear of a backlash against Muslims after the Fort Hood shooting.
My feelings on Fort Hood will be in the upcoming edition of Muslim Quarterly.
In closing, I would also like to answer the question regarding hijrah. If a Muslim is not able to make hijrah then it becomes a duty for them to spread Islam in the land they are. Therefore, as I am not in a position to make hijrah and there are many more like me, I am doing my part with others to help and spread the deen here so that one day, insha’Allah, we will replace Old Glory with the banner of La ilaha ilullah Muhammadur Rasululah on Pennsylvania Avenue in DC.
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Pimpin Dawah // November 20, 2009 at 8:26 am |
I’ve always felt Muslims should not join the U.S. Army. I neither condone nor excuse Nidal Hassan’s rampage, and in fact I condemn it (gotta put these disclaimer’s nowadays).
Nonetheless, I say he should never have joined in the first place. And neither should any other Muslim. There is a good chance you will be ordered to fight against other Muslims.
And those Muslims, whether we like it or not, are defending their land and believe us to be the invaders.
We know the passage from the Quran (I don’t want to look up the exact quote right now). But killing a Muslim without cause will lead to the fire.
I just don’t get why is there any confusion.
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Yus from the Nati // November 20, 2009 at 2:31 pm |
http://blog.islamicforumeurope.com/?p=826
I hate cut and pasting, but it’s interesting from a Student of Knowledge in Britain…
Hamza21 // November 20, 2009 at 8:10 pm |
Firstly I don’t necessary see this a “hot topic” – as it were – because at present, according the Conservative leaning Wall Street Journal, there is only over 3,ooo Muslims in the military. That’s a pretty small number in terms of the US Ummah.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125755853525335343.html
Secondly, “supporting our troops” is different then condoning and supporting their actions. Those can be completely different matters that yes are related but not the one and the same. Such as I “support” gays right not be abused (physical harmed) in society. However I don’t condone or promote homosexuality in any shape or form.
One is matter of recognition and principle (support) and the other is a matter of action (promotion).
Indeed some muslim organizations have gone way overboard in “supporting” the troops,A’oodhu Billah. But I think most Muslim organizations “recoginze” the troops and the sacrifices the individuals and their families make. There is a difference and maybe we should change the language to make things clear.
As a Ummah we recognize and understand the realities, the sacrifices, the dangers involved, hardship upon families that being in the military during a time of war can bring to bear. But we do not support nor condone individuals,groups,nations terrorizing,hurting , oppressing and killing our brothers and sisters in Ummah throughout the world.
Maybe that’s how muslim organizations should clarify things.
Wild Wild West // November 20, 2009 at 8:33 pm |
Before anyone claims that it is a good thing for a Muslim to join the US Army, let he or her take 10 minutes to watch this shocking video:
suhail // November 20, 2009 at 9:44 pm |
Nice article Brother Umar,
These days holding to your deen is becoming more and more difficult for people as now we have various groups going around spreading falsehood in the guise of Islam.
Now there is a new celebrity cultures among the students of knowledge such that they have become almost infalliable in the eyes of there students. Anything that comes out of there mouth is truth to them and anything stated to the contrary is false as if they are the Prophets and Messangers of Allah. You can see the same culture at MuslimMatters regarding Yasir Qadhi and there other shaikhs.
Imam Anwar is now a fair game for them why because he praised Nidal. I mean it is one thing to disagree with what Imam Anwar has said but it is another thing to make Baraa from him like all these organizations are doing and then backbite on him. One author from MuslimMatters even called on Imam Anwar to be thrown into prison again for saying that Israel should not exist. Why did he stop at Imam Anwar is beyond me because then he should also count Shaykh Yusuf al Qardawi and many other Ulema who hold the same view.
Have anything like this have happened in our Islamic history? I don’t remember anything like these and western muslims are coming up with more idiotic things as days pass.
It is quite distressing to see people throwing there deen away just to integrate in this society.
The questions that you have asked muslim matters is never going to be answered anyways.
1) One of the chief contributor on that website accuses anybody of being an extremist, radical who disagrees with him. He has already said that American occupation is better than having Taliban in control of Afghanistan and he is quite happy with the current government in Iraq. Not that we can do anything to change these things but as the Prophet(SAW) said ” If you see something wrong and you do not have the power to change it atleast consider that thing to be wrong in your heart and hate it, which is the lowest level of Iman”. Here we do not even have that rather we have people openly supporting Kuffar over the muslims.
2) Secondly they give two hoots about Kashmir as does the army of Pakistan. For some of them it is just significant because they are from Pakistan and there hatred towards India. Just read there posts about Pakistan and what is happening there. You will see more and more nationalism coming out of the mouth.
3) Last and not the least was there article on Brother Tarek Mehanna. It was a quite a shocking piece and they were exposed quite well because of that.
I pray to Allah brother they he keep all us muslims on the straight path and make us carry this deen furthur and make us die on Islam. Ameen.
Mohamed // November 21, 2009 at 5:19 pm |
Time for proofs. I don’t own Muslim matter site, but I visit it and I think it is best thing since sliced cheese for conservative muslims who are also sophisticated in their understanding and not getting caught up in one or two issues.
Pls provide link to this quote. I dont remember seeing this on MM. If this author said it it on other site (?), i dont think u can blame MM for what each of its 10-30 (??) writers say…
Shocking…. but sorry, I don’t remember seeing it. Pls provide proof.
How do you know that? Did they say something like that?
To be honest, the comments made it more “shocking” than piece itself. But it is good they removed it, and had a post to apologize, I mean shouldn’t we appreciate that… they recognize a mistake and do something about it?
So, I will await your evidences against your brothers, otherwise we can assume it is more slander.
And Mr. Omar, do you mind not deleting comments that you don’t like as you did my previous one? Abu Noor asked you a question and I reiterated that, but you had no answer for it. I also asked when you will put the next piece up on Sidi Hamza and gays??:
http://umarlee.com/2009/11/19/is-it-permissible-to-join-a-kaafir-army/#comment-33494
“By the way, I am not aware of Muslim Matters publishing anything saying that it is permissible to join the U.S. military, did I miss something?”
Which leads me to believe that you are only looking for some attention. I hope and advice to Muslimmatter crowd to stay above fray and ignore these provocations… it is the same thing they did with the j-cult forum of IA… same they should do with other opportunistic provocation (not real debate).
-sunni
Wild Wild West // November 21, 2009 at 9:07 pm |
@ Mohamed
“One author from MuslimMatters even called on Imam Anwar to be thrown into prison again for saying that Israel should not exist.”
This was Dr Jawad Hashmi and he made those comments on the English Multaqah Ahlalhadeeth forum.
Mohamed // November 22, 2009 at 3:21 pm |
asalamalikum
thank you dear wild brother.
in other words, it was not on Muslimmatter, thanks for information.
i am still waiting for Mr. suhail to either provide proof for his accusations or apologize for his slander… it can be only one of two. We already prove that one of these accusations is not related to MM unless Mr. Hashmi wrote something like that on the MM site? Otherwise this is guilty by association technique of islam-haters.
Suhail, it is very quiet here… help us.
-patiently waiting
beanpiebrother // November 22, 2009 at 3:31 pm |
US Military
Oath of Enlistment
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice
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Is it Okay for a Muslim to agree with the conditions the
Us Military Oath of Enlistment
I, (Muslim Person), do solemnly swear (or affirm)?
that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic?
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same?
and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me?
according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice?
Abu Umar // November 23, 2009 at 12:20 am |
Thank you brother for speaking the word of truth and I find it ridiculous that your Muslim detractors are using the same ridiculous cliches used by the moonbat right-wing as “take it or leave it” or “if you don’t like it, leave”.
Pimpin Dawah // November 23, 2009 at 6:58 am |
I read a post on MM talking about the quote on Anwar Al-Awlaki’s blog. It didn’t seem that the author was turning against Imam Al-Awlaki or denouncing him.
They actually took a pretty balanced approach. Something like, “If he did say this, then it’s wrong, but there’s not enough proof he said it.”
Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki’s blog is a WordPress blog. I’m not hacker, but I’m pretty sure there’s a way to break into one. Heck, all you need is a name and a password.
I stopped reading it a long time ago as it seemed to attract some of the most radical and idiotic young Muslims in the West.
Still like his lectures though. I am not throwing away my series on the Hereafter or Lives of the Prophets.
Wild Wild West // November 23, 2009 at 9:53 am |
@ Mohammed
To be fair to Suhail, his actual comment was:
“One author from MuslimMatters even called on Imam Anwar to be thrown into prison again for saying that Israel should not exist. ”
This does not in any way imply that the comment was made on the MM website itself.
suhail // November 23, 2009 at 7:49 pm |
Brother Mohammed,
First of all J Hashmi is an author related to Muslim matters and he did made this comment. I said one of the authors of Muslim matters and he is one of them. They recruited J Hashmi after he made this comment and was widely circulated. I am not associating all the MM team with that comment but one of there authors have made that comment. He made that comment on English Multaqa Ahl-al-hadith so if you want proof please use there search functionality.
Regarding there denouncing Imam Anwar it is on there website. You can see that on one of there article where Amad said that he has come down the pedestial and has lost his pedigree and have become radical. That is what he said not me. It is in there comments section. I am not obliged to go and find a link. Search there recent topic and look up the comments of Amad you will find it.
That episode were Amad said that is quite well known. It is on there site in comments section while he was debating with Brother Abu Bakr. It is not me who is imputing charges against Amad or J Hashmi. It is you who have a blind eye and do not see the truth.
And regarding Kashmir than that is my deduction from there stance they take at every oppourtunity. I may be wrong or I may be right that is what i have deduced from my observation. You are free to disagree with me.
Apologies on Tarek’s article give me break. The apology was half baked and there response was lack luster.
Regarding you comment about IA etc, then i am not a spokesman for IA forums and am not here to defend them. I think on this you are on the same page as some of the MM authors are because they do not take there criticism as they should rather they just blame IA for all the wrongs in this world.
mohamed // November 25, 2009 at 10:30 am |
In other words, you don’t have no proofs for your nonsense.
“Not having time to find them” when you openly slander some people is an interesting technique.
Thank you for admitting that hashmi said what he said on other site than MM. But now you add new slander… that they recruited him specifically due this “great” statement?
Secondly, I dont know why you bringing up another topic of awlaki and amad… What you said and I asked for proof was on this:
“that American occupation is better than having Taliban in control of Afghanistan ”
i am waiting for specific proof for this.
It is obvious you have personal agendas, so put up or shut up. Slander is a HUGE, HUGE thing… it is worse than backbiting and had evidence existed, you would have found it by now and not go on tangents and make stupid excuses. Shame on you.
my last comment to you here.
I pray that allah protect all the scholars and shayookh in mainstream muslims from Hamza Yousuf to Yassir Qadhi to Zaid Shakir to Walid Basiouni, and so on. And also protect all mainstream organizations and websites from lunatics.
suhail // November 27, 2009 at 4:14 pm |
Why dont you shut your mouth up. You either do not know how to read english or you are a freaking drop out from School. It can be either mental retardation too.
The proof is there website and i have pointed you to look for comments on there website. I am not going to provide you with links that is as simple as that. I am not your slave to go and search for the links.
Go and look it up. Slander is when i put something in there mouth which they have not done. Here there is no Slander. What i have posted is well known maybe not to you since you live under a rock but to the others in broad day light it is visible.
So take your own advice and follow it. Don’t act as if you have some kind of moral authority. And to your dua then i say that if Hamza Yusuf to Yaseer Qadhi do good than may Allah help them and if they compromise there deen then may Allah guide them to the haq.
So now you SHUT UP.
Abubakr // December 9, 2009 at 2:06 am |
Two links for the brothers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adab_%28behavior%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Asalamu Alaikum
naafas // December 13, 2009 at 5:17 am |
How can a person accept islam and then voluntarily fight against his brothers for an agenda that allah has refuted in the quran.(democracy/people who govern themselves)Its an oxymoron all day, and enjoining good and forbidding has to be according to islaamic usool not kufr usool. In essence freedom to these people means; desires. Allah has tated in the quran(50:5) that the kuffar are in a confused state(not being able to differentiate between right and wrong). So how can we imitate them in anything that clearly contradicts the islam. Except certain aspects of secular knowledge. wallahu muwaffaq.
Wild Wild West // January 5, 2010 at 7:07 pm |
Here is what “our” US Military get up to
http://freedetainees.org/8035
And here are some American Muslims celebrating the fact that Muslims are in the US Army:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=126110&d=5&m=9&y=2009&pix=world.jpg&category=World
Among them is Dalia Mogahed – a speaker at this years Almaghrib ilmfest and Yasir Qadhi approved.
How would Yasir and co describe what the animals in the first link did? Would they call it ‘aid and reconstruction’?